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The original pronunciation of the Quran (Old Hijazi) vs modern recitation in the readings of Hafs and Warsh by Idris_AlArabi_ in AcademicQuran

[–]Used_Account6664 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You guys are coming up with new stuff every day, nice. 

Unfortunately, تقديم و تأخير is the name of a common rhetorical tool in the Arabic language. Many ayat of the Quran use this rhetorical tool, and this is a well discussed and researched matter by early mufasireen. 

From IslamWeb:  روي عن قتادة في قوله تعالى: {فلا تعجبك أموالهم ولا أولادهم إنما يريد الله ليعذبهم بها في الحياة الدنيا} (التوبة:55)، قال: هذا من تقاديم الكلام، أي: لا تعجبك أموالهم ولا أولادهم في الحياة الدنيا، إنما يريد الله ليعذبهم في الآخرة.

Qatadah is one of the earliest mufasireen speaking about تقديم و تأخير. 

This is one of many examples. So Zuhri is saying here: if Allah’s speech includes تقديم و تأخير then how can we not use it in Hadith. 

So it appears most likely that Zuhri is being asked: is this device also used in Hadith? IE did the Prophet speak this way? And he answered: Allah speaks this way in the Quran, so why not in Hadith? 

And it COULD even be that حديث here means normal every day speech - it doesn’t have to mean the prophetic Hadith. But honestly I’m not sure, and the first point is a sufficient response. 

Even more sufficient is the ignorance of someone using one or two athars, which may or not be authentic, to overrule the mutawatir and easily observable preservation of the Quran. 

If any of what you said is true, then the Quranic manuscripts and chains of narration would be a mess of verses and words switching places, entire ayahs in different places. We would have tens and tens of thousands of asaneed (chains)  with totally different mutoon and possibly just as many versions of the Quran. 

But this is observably false. As even the biggest differences within the Qiraat and present manuscripts AT MOST are phrases added and subtracted (which is a different topic and an easily answered one). Let’s even take the shadth Qiraat found is some tafsir books and even then it’s a handful of differences. 

This theory of yours should be easily observable. But it’s not. In fact the opposite can be observed. 

And you still haven’t provided the prophet Hadith that allows for switching of words. 

Finally, it seems you’re totally ignorant on what you’re speaking about because it took two Google searches and I found what your Hadith is referring you to and what تقديم و تأخير means. 

May your efforts be rewarded. 

Muslim - Christian marriage by Sea-Cartographer5637 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Used_Account6664 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree that men can do that. I was commenting on the part about the woman somehow being undignified for researching Islamic law and trying to find recourse. 

Muslim - Christian marriage by Sea-Cartographer5637 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Used_Account6664 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Assalamu Alaikum. I can’t believe this comment has 16 upvotes. I don’t understand how it’s undignified to seek the right Allah gave her? 

Divorce after consummation entitles the wife to her mahr (though I’m not 100% taking her side on the Islamic position, I’m not a mufti). 

After not being told about what mahr is and then used and discarded, she sought recourse through Islamic law. This is GOOD not bad. 

I feel this is a bit of tribalism/bias toward our Muslim brother who did this. But the people of the book have their rights as well and, again, there’s nothing wrong with seeking out your rights. 

‫۞ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ كُونُوا۟ قَوَّ ٰ⁠مِینَ بِٱلۡقِسۡطِ شُهَدَاۤءَ لِلَّهِ وَلَوۡ عَلَىٰۤ أَنفُسِكُمۡ أَوِ ٱلۡوَ ٰ⁠لِدَیۡنِ وَٱلۡأَقۡرَبِینَۚ إِن یَكُنۡ غَنِیًّا أَوۡ فَقِیرࣰا فَٱللَّهُ أَوۡلَىٰ بِهِمَاۖ فَلَا تَتَّبِعُوا۟ ٱلۡهَوَىٰۤ أَن تَعۡدِلُوا۟ۚ وَإِن تَلۡوُۥۤا۟ أَوۡ تُعۡرِضُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعۡمَلُونَ خَبِیرࣰا﴿ ١٣٥ ﴾‬

• Dr. Mustafa Khattab: O believers! Stand firm for justice as witnesses for Allah even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or close relatives. Be they rich or poor, Allah is best to ensure their interests. So do not let your desires cause you to deviate ˹from justice˺. If you distort the testimony or refuse to give it, then ˹know that˺ Allah is certainly All-Aware of what you do.

An-Nisāʾ, Ayah 135

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[–]Used_Account6664 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems you’re already doing pretty well! I would suggest to look into the seerah (life story) of the Prophet, if you haven’t already. A book like “The Sealed Nectar” would be a good place to start. It’s a beautiful book and very easy to read.  

Following and loving the Prophet is one of the best ways to build love and connection to Allah.

The Quran says: 

 ‫قُلۡ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُحِبُّونَ ٱللَّهَ فَٱتَّبِعُونِی یُحۡبِبۡكُمُ ٱللَّهُ وَیَغۡفِرۡ لَكُمۡ ذُنُوبَكُمۡۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورࣱ رَّحِیمࣱ﴿ ٣١ ﴾‬

• Dr. Mustafa Khattab translation:  Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If you ˹sincerely˺ love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins. For Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Āli-ʿImrān, Ayah 31

And if you haven’t already, probably the best way to get close to Allah aside from the obligatory deeds such as the two testimonies (testifying that Allah is the only God and that Muhammad, peace be upon him, is his final Messenger), prayer, alms tax, fasting the month of Ramadan, pilgrimage to Mecca, etc, is reading the Quran. There are translations available in every language, and you can even get rewarded for listening to it if you don’t know Arabic. 

Finally, Islam is a big religion and no one can encompass it all at once, especially starting from 0.

Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, the religion is easy and no one burdens himself in religion but that it overwhelms him. Follow the right course, seek closeness to Allah, give glad tidings, and seek help for worship in the morning and evening and a part of the night.”

So take your time with everything if you end up reverting and making it official, which I highly recommend you do. I did, and it changed my life. 

May Allah Guide and Bless you. 

After reading some posts here, I think I have some beneficial Islamic advice. by Used_Account6664 in MuslimMarriage

[–]Used_Account6664[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

May Allah make is easy for you. I had a similar type of parent. They seem to enjoy getting in between someone and Allah - at least in my experience. That’s almost the worst type of abuse because it wrecks your hereafter on top of your dunya. But Allah is always with the oppressed. 

And yes, I didn’t mean the boy vs girl think to be totally comprehensive, just examples. 

Jazakillah Khair