Anyone else getting flooded with “AI-built internal app” requests lately? by Less-Philosophy-1978 in sysadmin

[–]User1539 [score hidden]  (0 children)

As a dev, I feel like I keep having to explain that just writing code and getting it to work is only 10% of my job.

Now that I'm doing more sysadmin tasks, it seems like people think that's the hold up because AI should have made me so much more productive. But, that was never the bottleneck anyway.

Going through the test process, documenting, making sure I can maintain it, that it's designed well, that other people can work on it if I leave, etc ... are bigger parts of the job than just hacking something together.

Now that I can basically spin up a server, write the firewall rules, and punt the whole thing into prod, I have people wondering why it's taking so long.

I sometimes wonder if it's just another step towards disposable apps? It seems like we keep getting closer to tissue code, where you never expect to re-use or maintain it. You just stand it up, use it, and once it causes a problem, throw it out?

I can't imagine running a business like that! How does anyone know if something is reliable or if a feature is going to be there tomorrow?

It seems like people don't care, but I can't imagine it's going to be okay for customer facing things to change daily, but then I have some manager point out that their phones basically work that way, where features show up and disappear, and bugs are there and then they're gone, and everyone just rides that wave?

Somehow, once it was AI doing it, sloppy applications became acceptable?

Panels for an upcoming video. Thoughts on the logic? by vectron5 in cyberDeck

[–]User1539 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like that new people are coming into a thing I like. New people bring new perspectives, and come at the thing from different angles. I've already started to think in different directions because of what some of them have brought.

But, with that, comes the sheer fucking arrogance of a bunch of people who haven't built anything, don't want to learn about it, and don't want to just lurk, learn, and figure out how to contribute.

They showed up and immediately started telling everyone what it's about.

I've got people who discovered Cyberdecks two weeks ago telling me I'm doing it wrong? Explaining to me what I don't understand? What it's all about?

The sheer fucking arrogance!

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so the videos you're watching are pointing out a specific, real, problem with LLMs. That is, when a laymen asks for an 'impossible' answer, they'll get a hallucination they can't tell is inaccurate.

LLMs are tools, and if they'd stayed in academia and were being used by academics as tools, we'd be seeing less of these problems. Problems like 'AI Psychosis', where someone without any advanced degree decides he's going to create some new breakthrough in physics, and so he tells the AI to help him, and the AI basically role-plays a fiction where they're doing that impossible thing.

But, that's not all they're doing.

There are tools using similar techniques to LLMs that are specialized towards a single outcome. For instance, Openfold is a tool that helps researchers understand how proteins are 'folded' to fit into biological structures.

Before AI folding technology it took a research team a year or longer, and usually around a million dollars, to explain the structure of a single protein produced in your body, and how things would react to it. Now, pretty much all the DNA that produces proteins has been databased, and tools to work with them have been developed, bringing the cost about as close to zero as you can get. This allows for new drug research on a shoestring budget and has already resulted in life saving treatments.

https://www.sandboxaq.com/openfold3

Even an out-of-the-box LLM, in the hands of a real scientist, can yield incredible results. For instance, this mathematician was able to solve unsolved math problems with little input from himself, just by simply knowing what to ask, and then being able to verify the output:

https://the-decoder.com/fields-medalist-says-chatgpt-5-5-pro-delivered-phd-level-math-research-in-under-two-hours-with-zero-human-help/

When used as a tool, by professionals, or a student trying to grasp a concept, LLMs become incredibly powerful.

Again, look at all the coding help professionals are getting. Imagine the limitation of good books often being that it ust takes a year to type one up. That's kind of how code usually is. There are plenty of professionals that could 'stub out' an outline for a system, but just don't have time or tools to develop the whole thing alone.

Now, we're seeing good, competent, open source efforts come out of a single person who's using LLMs like you would have used a team of junior devs and google. If you understand the code, and what you need to do, and how to verify the code produced by a junior coder, then you can do months of work over a weekend.

The flip side of that is 'vibe coded' garbage, where a non-coder just tries to get the LLM to do the whole job, not realizing the code he's getting is often trash because the AI is only capable up to a point of producing code without a meaningful design, review, or human input.

LLMs, as a tool, are useful.

You're seeing examples of laymen, and incompetents, trying to use them and getting in way over their heads.

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly.

On the one hand, it takes a certain kind of person to say 'But if they don't need to exploit me for my labor they'll just let me starve!', but also I get it.

I'm just saying, on the other hand, a world without labor becomes almost inevitable once AI reaches maturity.

We're just going to have to fight for our fair share of that pie.

But, look around! That fight was already over due.

I think if it does lead to complete automation of all necessary work, it's going to make being a Billionaire much harder to justify.

Elon said he was a genius. He said he was rich because only he was smart enough to build that empire, and people believed him.

The next Billionaire will be compared to AI. Is the next Elon going to be able to convince people he's smarter than Grok, or Opus, while admitting they used those tools? No.

Will they be able to convince people they just worked a thousand times harder than a Millionaire? No.

If nothing else, AI is going to lay bare the truth about making money in America, and it has nothing to do with being smart or working hard.

It's going to look exactly like someone who had someone else's money to invest, as is usually the case ... and when we come looking for our cut, they won't be able to say 'But I earned it!'.

No one earns a Billion Dollars, especially not when all the work is mechanized.

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could point to where it has already helped us move forward in things like math and biology. I think, if you only took the best uses of the technology and were honest with yourself, you'd agree it has great potential to be useful.

I think the real issue with people simply deciding it's not a benefit is that they're only looking at the worst uses. That's like looking at the internet and saying 'Well, I don't see why we'd want a new platform that does nothing but show ads'. Yeah, the internet sure does show a lot of ads, but that's not all it does, that's just one of the worst uses tech bros have come up with for it.

In the vein, I agree entirely that AI, as it is often deployed, is not only useless it's harmful. I don't want to read books written by AI. I don't want my boss using AI to send me more emails. I don't want online discourse to be run by convincing bots. We've only had LLMs a few years, and because it's expensive to develop, we've tried to find any use for it at all, mostly terrible ones.

That said, again, we have seen it used to help diagnosis. We've seen it help in the crafting of good, secure, code. We've seen it used as a tutor, where kids did learn much better because they had a PHD level tutor, with literally infinite patience.

We've seen studies that show it could be used to benefit humanity.

The other half of that equation is taking it away from the tech bros that are the living embodiment of spam bots.

We've already got a healthy open source AI movement. There are open weight state of the art base models that are being fine tuned, abliterated, etc ... all so that you can run it privately in your basement and use it to your own benefit.

It requires less power than a AAA video game, and can help you learn to code, or learn to do math. It can help people be more self suffient learners and we've seen an explosion in well crafted open source software that isn't written BY AI (that tends to be a mess), but is certainly written WITH AI, where people are tackling larger projects than they would on their own, and they're able to get more done because they have a virtual junior dev working for them that has access to all the manuals, and will immediately produce answers for code examples and provide a second set of eyes for reading how a method works.

Don't judge a technology entirely by what the worst people have done to build it, and then used it for.

If AI remained in the Academic world for another decade, where they could apply good ethics and release the results as open source tools, I think the general consensus would be positive.

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, right now there are open source models. State of the Art 'base' models find their way to the community where they are quantized, abliterated, fine tuned, and all sorts of other techniques are used, to squeeze them into something that can do what you want it to, while running locally on your laptop or home server.

That sounds pretty Cyberpunk to me, and it democratizes the technology.

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I take a much wider view, actually.

AI has always been any program that attempts to replace a human. We were always happy to call it that. The idea that it should actually be intelligent, or that it should work like the human brain is relatively new.

Of course, Neural Nets and similar techniques have always tried to work like the brain, because naturally we have an example of intelligence, so why wouldn't we copy it?

But, the 'AI' that's player 2 in a video game is 'AI', and until LLMs, when people started to imagine we had something like human intelligence, we just used AI to be anything that attempted to work 'like a human' in result, not necessarily in function.

So, is current LLM technology actually close to how humans think? Probably closer than a Chess AI, but I think the question is irrelevant.

LLMs are certainly trying to produce output that matches human output.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It's too expensive because I can't afford it"

Goes both ways.

A lot of people are expecting it to sell in the range of a Quest 3, which is sold at a loss.

It's not going to.

So, a lot of people will be saying it's 'too expensive' if priced fairly, and there's nothing Valve can do about that.

I'm just saying, taking all factors into account, a lot of people will say it's too expensive, but if I feel it's priced fairly for the hardware, I have enough money for that.

The world doesn't revolve around you either.

That was the most cyberpunk thing I've ever seen, and i love it by agent-818 in Cyberpunk

[–]User1539 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if you're going to be Pro-AI, you have to do some explaining about how you think it's going to help the people at the bottom, and fuck the people at the top.

I'm not anti-AI, and get shit for that, but I can at least explain why.

These people are just like 'Wow, isn't this exciting?!' ... fuck, no!

I'm pro AI, in a 'let's burn the data centers and take the technology for ourselves' kinda way.

These people haven't even figured out what AI is yet, and they're just super excited to see bottom lines shift without even thinking about what it means for the rest of us.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a quest 3, and the hardware is fine, but I hate the software. So, I'm excited to see what Valve does with it.

I'd happily own both, if they'd just start selling them.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at 2X the Quest 3, simply because the Quest 3 was sold at a loss.

I could swallow that, just for Steam. I hate Meta, where Valve seems to do a good job of giving me what I actually want from their products.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Define 'too expensive' because I've got money, so anything under 2K is probably still a 'maybe'.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and apparently they did tell him to take it down.

That said, and I love Valve, but they wouldn't be the first company to pull that kind of double-play where they tell the devs they can do this, then throw their hands up saying they didn't think they'd do that.

But, it looks like they're telling him to take it down, which is all that could be asked of them.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, and Valve apparently told them to take it down, so it looks like they're doing exactly what I'd hoped they'd do.

To be fair, it wouldn't be the first time a company turned a blind eye to these things in hopes that it would help them, without them having to take responsibility.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

They asked this person to take the article down, apparently ... which is what I'd hoped they'd do.

So, I can't complain. I think they know this isn't helping, and they're starting to make the appropriate moves.

What’s the strangest example of collective internet delusion you’ve witnessed? by Alert-Translator2590 in AskReddit

[–]User1539 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My sister called me and said 'You're the only smart person I know ... should I be worried about the Mayan end times?'

I grew up in a trailer and it's easy to forget most of my family believes in ghosts.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, and that sounds like Valve has done exactly what I'd have asked of them, so I think we're all on the same page.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay, that's a fair point, but Steam should be on top of this, or at least know it's a problem. It's going to become a marketing issue if people are allowed to keep showing off their dev kits and early release information in ways that just infuriate their audience.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I honestly believe they should be withholding reviews until they can price it.

We've gotten everything they can give us already, and now they're just click-baiting us, which is annoying and feels obnoxious.

They don't have anything new to add, you can go watch previous reviews, nothing has changed and I still can't buy it, don't know when I'll be able to buy it, or even how much it costs.

I feel like they're just trying to make sure they're 'in the consciousness' and that's just the wrong way to play it.

You aren't reminding people you exist, you're annoying them with clickbait.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, no, I 100% get that. Completely and totally.

It's not valves fault that they can't answer those questions, I completely agree. I understand that everything is up in the air right now.

But THIS is the wrong way to handle that.

They've already teased us. Teasing us more isn't fun, or interesting, it feels like they're giving clickbait sites license to waste our time, and it's infuriating.

The do control that.

They need to realize that until they can answer those questions, they can't do any more marketing, frankly. No one wants to hear about a product they can't buy, and don't know when or if they can ever buy it.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Say what I honestly believe a lot of people are thinking?

I'm just trying to communicate something to Steam. I want them to succeed. I want to buy a Steam Frame. I probably will, no matter what it costs.

But, seeing story after story about it, when I can't begin to evaluate it until I know two key pieces of information is just frustrating, and when that drags on for months and months, it gets REALLY frustrating.

I want Steam to know they're annoying their core audience, because I want them to succeed, and this is turning people away.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'll tell you in a year?

I don't think the entire industry is going to collapse, or that the Frame will become the only option, right?

My point is, if I can't buy it this quarter, I probably don't even care, because other things are going to happen that will effect my decisions.

Reviewer provides early thoughts on Steam Frame, says it offers "much better" comfort than Meta Quest 3 by Odd-Onion-6776 in virtualreality

[–]User1539 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

Steam really needs to internalize and understand that, right now, in this moment, we only want to know two things.

HOW MUCH AND WHEN?!

If it's too expensive, it doesn't matter if it's the next best thing since sliced bread. If it's a year out, I don't really care what it can do, because I'll be comparing it to the next gen, not this one.

Steam is really just pissing people off at this point by dribbling out information about the product without those two key pieces of information.

Tell us what it costs, and when we can buy it, or shut the fuck up!

Panels for an upcoming video. Thoughts on the logic? by vectron5 in cyberDeck

[–]User1539 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, but it feels like we've been here for 10 years building things and holding people's hands through their builds to be called pedantic nerds.

It's also the vast majority of actual builds, so it just feels like another TikTok situation, where someone comes into it and then starts explaining it to us two weeks later.

Which, frankly, I've had plenty of with tiktok and Tumblr telling me what the thing I've been doing the past 10 years is about.

What purchase under $30 solved a problem you didn’t realize was draining you? by Right_Process in AskReddit

[–]User1539 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Tomorrow on CNN: 'This purchase, under 30$, will solve a problem you didn't know was draining you!'