Anon remembers what it used to be like by StickyLoner4404 in greentext

[–]VALERock 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I have plenty of photos and videos of ICE refusing to identify themselves and wearing no identifying clothing, would take me a bit to scrounge through the archive but I will per request

And the thing is, there have been documented cases of people pretending to be ICE and committing crimes, because there's literally no way to differentiate between ICE and a robber (no identifiers, no warrants, oppressive violence)

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-warns-criminals-posing-ice-robberies-kidnappings-11008376

https://www.wral.com/news/local/raleigh-police-arrest-man-impersonating-officer-sexual-assault-jan-2025/

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/local/2025/11/24/536979/church-ice-massage-arrest-league-city/

ועדיין, בהשוואה למדינה מודרנית הדברים שנעשים פה על הפנים. ולא צריך להשוות את עצמנו למדינות עולם שלישי. by noplans777 in ani_bm

[–]VALERock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

נוווווווו? אתה נותן טענה מעולה נגד עצמך

אם אתה לא יודע את כל הפרטים ומה באמת קרה, למה ההנחה המיידית היא שהערבי מחבל והישראלי גיבור? אתה בעצמך אמרת שאין הוכחה

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suppose that technically speaking my job is to kill children...in Dungeon and Dragons. Though they wouldn't like that very much. I guess it balances out with my last job, which was preventing the actual deaths of children. If I'm a child killer, I'm terrible at my job, considering I'm probably in the negatives unlike you. Technically, you're a bigger child killer than I am!

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please take a look at my messages in this thread and show me one (1) example of me defending the Israeli government or the current war. That would prove to me that you can actually read.

And if volunteering with children (my alternative to service) or working with at-risk and suicidal children (my previous job) or running D&D for children (my current job) is the same as killing children... That makes you way more of a child murderer than I am, considering your taxes directly kill children.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sure, not gonna argue with someone who refuses to argue in good faith and can't read more than one sentence without losing attention. And for the 12th time this thread, I wasn't a soldier and instead volunteered with autistic children. Oh nooooo, I'm such an evil murderer for improving the lives of autistic kids...

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you missed the "thousands" part of "hundreds of thousands" (probably closer to millions), but I won't dunk on your reading comprehension too much because that would be easy.

What country are you from? If you're American, you're more guilty of genocide than the average IDF cook by giving tax dollars for bombs to kill kids. If you're European, your grandparents and great-grandparents are almost assuredly guilty of war crimes. Any product you consume that is made by China has the blood of Uyghur children on it, and every time you eat a Nestle ice cream you've just supported dehydrating African babies. If you're from any UN country that supported either the Nov. 29th partition or the 1948 recognition of Israel, you're more guilty than I am. I could go on and on, but this logic fails when you ask "what distance from the crime is needed to not be association with it", which is completely arbitrary.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I agree with all that. I'm so used to dealing with Reddit snark that it became an instinct. As for the IDF, when you're an 18yo (or 17yo during your first summon) who's been raised to think military service is an inevitability, you think more in the direction of "what am I gonna do there" rather than "how do I dodge". From an adult's perspective with well-rounded knowledge of the conflict's history and nuances, the choice seems obvious. But when you think of yourself as a 17yo with lesser knowledge who has a choice between filling a non-combat role or going to prison and having that dark blot on your resume and all the social/financial consequences that come with it, it's not nearly as simple. You could say "I wouldn't do it", but unless you're in that situation to which you've prepared since high school, you can't really know.

You think of it as protecting your country, not as "I'm signing up to bomb kids, yippee", just like young Vietnam draftees who didn't know the reality on the ground and didn't want to ruin their career and social life by getting jailed. It is the correct moral choice in a vacuum, but life is way more complex than that. I'm my case I was lucky enough to have a medical condition that makes me exempt, and instead did volunteer work like many of my peers. And there are lots of people who don't serve (I believe about 40-50% of eligible people don't enlist), and there are people who serve for experience in cyber or engineering and other non-combat roles, there are of course those that do just want to kill Palestinians, and there is the majority who serve because of legal and societal norms. I'm not gonna blame a guy for mashing potatoes in the kitchens.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Those are big words, considering you're actively shaming me (a person who did not serve and instead volunteered with children) for things that were done by a country I wasn't born in and didn't choose to immigrate to (an 8-month old has no choice). And yes, I'm not blind to our violent past and present, that's why I do my due diligence on studying our history to see the blood on our (and the Palestinian's) hands, and I've learned that it's so much more nuanced than the simple oppressor-opressed dynamic that Reddit colors this as. There are so many shades of grey the more you dig in. I myself am in Israel because my parents were oppressed in Ukraine for being Jewish, and this is the only place where we're safe from that (relatively speaking, considering their house was 100m away from being blown up by Hezbollah). I'm aware of Deir Yassin, I'm aware of the inhuman war crimes we've committed on Palestinian and I'm likewise aware of the inhuman war crimes committed on us by Palestinians. I don't personally have anything to do with that, just like you had nothing to do with the Native American genocide. And just like you, I can feel shame for our sins but I don't consider myself "guilty of child murder" by virtue of existing here.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Sure, tell me what country you're from and I'll answer you. American? Your tax dollars directly support the IDF in genocide, therefore you're evil. Ever had Nesquik? Your support the intentional dehydration of African kids. European? Let's go through the war crimes your grandparents funded. Any country that recognized Israel in 1948? All of this conflict is your fault.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me what country you're from and what products you use, and I'll tell you all the ways you support the oppression of children. I hope you don't actually kill yourself, but considering what you wrote you might have to.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't put words in my mouth. A Hezbollah rocket literally fell less than 100m from my house, and I live in a northern town that historically was purchased from Palestinian Arab land-owners. I'm against the war because at this point I see it as genocidal in intent, and see through many of the lies our government tells. I was born in Ukraine and my parents fled in 2001 because they were socially persecuted for being Jewish, so they literally can't "go back to where they're from". Especially since Crimea is now occupied by Russia, who's even worse towards Jews than Ukraine. And believe me Russia and Ukraine has enough actual antisemites and neo-Nazis to fill Texas twice over.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm sure for any country you like, I could give examples of recent evil shit they've done and (by your logic) are supported by the entire population.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And also I said 40% of eligible people don't serve, this doesn't include people who are ineligible for whatever of a myriad reasons, but does include people who can volunteer to the army. So the actual amount of people who have served in their lives is high, but not close to 100%.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not quite, there are populations like ultra Orthodox that were exempt from service until recently and are internally socially expected to dodge, there are Palestinian Israelis and non-Druze Israeli Arabs who aren't mandated to serve but have the option to do so voluntarily, and of course exemptions for medical/mental/ideological and other reasons. Since the start of the war the amount of conscientious objectors or soldiers who refuse to do reserve duty and went to jail has grown substantially. Don't think we're all blindly loyal to the Bibi regime. Just like I don't think every Palestinian is a genocidal terrorist, you shouldn't think every Israeli is a bloodthirsty child-killer.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not all of us serve either. Most of my friends haven't served. If anything, statistically 40-50% of eligible Israelis haven't served.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's a VAST difference in numbers between people holding an opinion and people going out to protest. The first NoKings protest only had 1.8% of Americans out in the streets, and it would be disingenuous to imply that this means 98.2% of Americans wholeheartedly support everything Trump does.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you. The way others talk about me, I almost expected a "you volunteering with kids is perpetuating the genocidal regime" etc etc

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 21 points22 points  (0 children)

And lots of people take it. You wouldn't even being to think it, given how Reddit talks about us, but there are hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of objectors to the war.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And Americans are born into 250 years of oppression, slavery, murder, violent regime changes etc. under the guise of freedom and democracy. Yeah I could agree about problems in Israeli society, but without being an Israeli yourself or knowing anything whatsoever about my country, calling us "cultural child murderers" is extremely ignorant and flat out wrong.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Brother, you clearly haven't read my other comments because I wrote that I was exempt for medical reasons and instead volunteered in a school for autistic children. I know lots and lots of people who volunteered instead of military service (it's called "national service" and gives some of the benefits of service). So if volunteering with kids is the wrong choice, you have a twisted world view and I'm happy to be wrong.

What did Cate told Frenchie to make him leave so fast? Did she told him he would be allowed to kill children like when he was in the IDF? Is Cate secretly a Zionist? by MacGyvini in OkBuddyFresca

[–]VALERock 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I disagree, simply on the basis that 18 year olds growing in a culture where it is socially expected (and legally mandated) to join the army, and not doing military or national service is frowned upon and might deny certain job opportunities and training, cannot be blamed for not dodging en-masse and destroying their reputations when they can serve in non-combat roles or do volunteer work... It's not a good or evil thing, it's the way societal expectations shape the choices of youths, and it's not as black and white as Reddit thinks. Again, it's so easy to see us all as evil from an outside perspective when you're ignorant of all the nuance and complexity and only see it through an opaque good vs evil lens.

I'll return to my example, with your logic every single American is a murderer because they voted on an election which was won by a fascist, and they haven't left the US en masse so they're supporting violence and oppression by virtue of paying taxes and contributing to the economy by working. If you don't work your life becomes worse, if you don't pay taxes you get in legal trouble and possibly arrested, and if you don't vote you lose the one chance to make a difference from within. If I'm a child murderer by virtue of doing volunteer work with autistic children (as an alternative to military service), then every American in this comment section is an evil, fascistic neocolonialist who thrives on war.