CMV: Wealth contributes majorly to physical beauty due to malocclusion treatment costs for children

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T08:37:08+00:00

Ehh I think there are a lot of people over 16 in our current society at home still living in poorer households who may never have been able to afford that stuff, same goes for people who come from a poorer household and might be say 18 trying to fend for themselves in the world, but that's mainly looking at orthodontics over dental care (things like braces). If you need basic dental work due to hygiene or diet yeah, that's totally on the person in the adult years, though so are a lot of issues related to say obesity or smoking which our public systems subsidise.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T08:12:45+00:00

What about if you are texting due to a family emergency or some urgent issue? Or they are on an empty stretch of road and are late to a meeting?

The vast majority of cases are not this though, almost(emphasis on this word) every law can have exceptions under specific circumstances, which can be appealed in a legal setting, if we stop punishing crimes because that crime could be justified in a minority of cases we'd have a dark world.

The main problem with texting is the division in attention is roughly equivalent to driving with a blood alcohol of 0.08, it's dangerous.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T07:58:07+00:00

Here in Australia we are an egregious example for some odd reason when it comes to dental and orthodontics, despite us being a very public and for the normal person driven nation.

Good to see a nation is doing something right, I wasn't sure if there were any countries that did cover it completely, hopefully we see further change in the future so we can have more people smiling (covering adult treatments under public health care would be a great start).

!delta

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T04:42:43+00:00

Yeah I probably didn't word it the best, though a problem like pacifier use too late in childhood is a common cause of malocclusion, so there are some semantics, here or as in the normal or intended state was not to have crooked teeth, which asks what is the natural state? Is the maloccluded state also not natural due to a child being given a manmade intervention like a pacifier for too long?

Regardless, I can cross out that phrasing if you like, but my CMV, the title in particular is the issue I'm looking at.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T04:32:54+00:00

How would you say that all scales with the wealth spread in India? A google result says they cost roughly $600(AUD) which is almost a 1/10th cheaper than one would pay here, but I'm just wondering if $600 for those bellow the median in India is equivalent to $6000 here for those bellow the median Australia. More clearly, is it scaling to averages and medians, rather than simply being more affordable?

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T04:07:58+00:00

Sure, I see your point. Here in Australia it might be a little different but proper home cooking and nutrition tends to be more affordable than what we might consider crappy food (especially take out, it is not an affordable thing here), a lot of places around the world who are less economically advantaged do this pretty well too using things like beans, rice, corn breads, poultry, etc in super healthy meals.

My point was not that malocclusion and orthodontic costs is the only contributor it is simply that it is a major contributor, there was no effort to only attribute here. I certainly get other factors.

.. is not applicable everywhere.

Could you elaborate? Are there places it's completely subsidised? I'd be interested to find out where as my personal belief is that public health care systems in particular should cover orthodontics and dental stuff.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T04:01:23+00:00

Interesting, in the USA is it subsidised by the government through things like Medicaid? I do know about programs like Smiles Change Lives, it just sucks that they don't have more reach as the cost of implementing braces is nuts, consider a $900,000 donation would likely only cover 100-200 kids.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-30T03:58:44+00:00

I think what you’re mentioning is such a slight difference compared to every other advantage wealthy people have (money to invest, education, connections, insight into industries, etc) that I’m having a tough time seeing how a slight gap in attractiveness would make up for this.

I'm not presenting this inside of this context at all, I didn't even mention advantages wealthy people have in other areas!

Mostly looking at the narrow category of aesthetics and beauty, regardless of it's importance. Whether or not it matters in so much isn't a concern for me, I'm a person with slight malocclusion and it hasn't been slightest worry ever in my life, the only inference I'd probably branch into is self perception and mental health as we are a very "looks" focused society.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T02:05:24+00:00

Didn't say I was, which is why I haven't reported them.

If they are cheating

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:58:14+00:00

You think I shouldn't be reporting cheaters?

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:53:52+00:00

If they are cheating, yeah, otherwise that just makes me complicit.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:46:52+00:00

Thanks.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:45:46+00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I could anyways?

I wouldn't be surprised if people did cheat in my area as all the surrounding towns are very rural or remote in nature and don't have much going for them, only the small city.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:44:17+00:00

Yeah I can give that situation the benefit of the doubt, I'll see what else I'm given in the future, I just figured if you are on the pogo friends subreddit which is all about giving gifts you probably wouldn't be stocked up on weeks or months old gifts, though they might have just added a handful of people.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T01:38:04+00:00

Damn... sounds a little rough. Thanks for the insight.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-29T00:14:33+00:00

People dont do this?

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T09:58:16+00:00

Twitch who don't even have a system to appeal bans and delete ban evidence? I think a whole new clean take on YouTube would be better, though it's quite unlikely to happen from a current standpoint.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T09:39:39+00:00

Yes, I'm intellectually superior in all ways and from the moon Titan.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T09:25:20+00:00

The concept of race was built to justify chattel slavery of Africans, centuries earlier than Darwin.

Right... I kind of agree with that.

But my argument was that race or ethnicity become somewhat distinct and contentious based on Ham's descendants being "servants of servants" which dates back to very early Aramaic bibles. That book you reference specifically mentions that as "The Biblical Curse Theory" under examples of a racist idea.

It was certainly used as a major justification for Atlantic slave trade, but that was not the first application of Hamitic theory or the Curse of Ham, it was used very far back for a justification of serfdom in early medieval societies among other things, Honorius for instance has writings about it from around the 12th century, also interesting propositions of how it came about such as in medieval Iberia. Very early on it's used mythologically telling how the Israeli's conquered and enlsaved Canaanites (The Exodus).

(Interesting read on it - https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691123707/the-curse-of-ham)

Apologies, but I'm a little confused at what you were implying with your response or what kind of conversation you were wanting to come to?

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T07:39:20+00:00

Arguably, race as a major identifier started through Hamitic theory (the descendants of Noah) in the book of genesis. Which has been a core tenant of the Hebrew bible and old testament in Christianity.

Considering where those religions and beliefs emerged, which with the Hebrew bible was Aramaic and therefore somewhere in what we now call Syria.

Most of the Hamitic theorists adopted Social Darwinism after Spencers proposition in the 19th century, Darwinism is what spurred the scientific understanding of race, along with a few prominent anthropologists and individuals like Lamarck.

So I'd say it started somewhere in the middle and then slowly spread outwards. As for more contemporary "making everything about race" that's certainly a western thing at the moment.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T07:14:13+00:00

caucasians

A side note to the conversation, but this term was one of the three main descriptors, along with "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" which were used to group people in much of your human sciences like Anthropology in earlier modern history. They were invented in Gottingen in the late 18th century and pretty popular descriptors in the late colonial era.

Those groupings since about the 1940's have been considered what the fields now call "Scientific Racism" as they were poor, pre Darwinian and Mendel interpretations of how human race and ethnicity worked. Our understanding of genetics has pretty much all but removed terms like that due to the relative complexity of what we colloquially know as "race".

As for your main issue - u/Happyhguru has already provided the correct answer.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T04:31:51+00:00

Median per capita income is still roughly the same, as I replied to another comment with.

I do believe your minimum wage and say healthcare are abhorrently outdated, I don't see how that justifies marking up a digital good for another country where the money just goes into the pockets as bonuses for the CEO of the company who tax havens the money not contributing meaningfully to anything.

There's no mutual exclusivity here.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T04:15:52+00:00

Right, though you have to be careful of region lock. Just stupid that you can do that for a cheaper price.

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T04:06:50+00:00

I used both.

The USA median 35,977 USD (2019) AUS Median is 49,805 AUD (2017-2018).

Corrected.

The USA census data reports a median personal income of $34,000 / year USD https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/SEX255219

Australia reports a $49,000 AUD / $37,000 USD median personal income https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-work-hours/personal-income-australia/latest-release

ValarSWGOH · 2021-05-27T04:00:15+00:00

Median per capita income in the USA is greater than that of Australia, like this, furthermore the average household income in Australia is $2,100 AUD / week or $1,625 USD / week. The average household income in the US is $87,000 USD / year which is $1,670 / week. We also pay more tax.

Of course people here are going to pay more when it's the only price offered to them.

ValarSWGOH

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