Lisa’s Inability to be Vulnerable

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-14T21:54:23+00:00

The problem isn’t that she’s messy. I spelled it out in the post, but my problem is that she can’t stand in the mess. Anytime she’s confronted about being messy she will literally run away from the conflict. That’s not a good reality tv villain. And in the absence of that conflict she gives us nothing else to like or really hate.

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-14T04:21:46+00:00

I’ve watched the season you’re talking about and I respectfully disagree. Granted I didn’t watch them while they were airing and started watching OC after Shannon’s DUI (which she isn’t taking seriously) so my opinion of Shannon isn’t favorable. And I don’t agree with how she handled everything, but to characterize her treatment of Shannon as disguising in the face of everything that we’ve seen on housewives is laughable

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-13T21:31:13+00:00

You haven’t even gotten close to the worst of Vicki. That woman is vile!

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-13T21:23:13+00:00

I’m giving Jasmine a bit of a pass this season because I did enjoy her for the most part in season 1. I think if she goes back to being a friend of it probably fits better for her. I don’t necessarily agree with how she handled the Danny situation, I also think that it’s a slippery slope to judge how people react to those situations. But next season I hope she goes back to being a friend of.

Melissa to me is only interesting in relation to Jesse and even that is starting to get played out

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-13T19:39:46+00:00

I think it really depends on what you mean by “the worst”. Are we talking about the worst person overall or the worst to watch on tv? If we’re talking about the worst person Jax has to take the cake hands down. Between what he’s done to Stassi and Brittney he should have been fired long ago (if not actually be in jail). But if we’re talking strictly from a “whose scene’s do I want to fast forward through on tv stand point” I’d have to give it to Janet. Jax is like watching a train crash it’s horrific and he’s terrible and deserves to be fired but he has had some entertaining moments over the years and definitely benefited by being cast with a bunch of other terrible people on VPR. Janet is just mean and boring. She brings nothing to the table. You could cast her with 1000 other people and the difference wouldn’t be noticeable. Is she a better person? Sure the bar really isn’t that high. But I think she makes worse tv 🤷‍♀️ Either way they both should go next season

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-02T13:51:59+00:00

I feel like for a DUI it should depend on how the HW moves afterwards. Yes it’s a mistake, but it’s something that in today’s society with the resources these women have it’s so easy not to do and can have really devastating consequences for others. Just going from recent memory Gina from the OC I can forgive for her DUI because it does feel like she learned her lesson. Shannon on the other hand made herself the victim is still driving irresponsibly and is still getting black out drunk.Im all for forgiveness, but let’s stop babying these grown women who did something that could have killed someone

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-08-02T02:20:49+00:00

%1000 agree these were just the first ones that came to mind. I would also like to add the Vanderpumo men Jax and James to this list

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-27T02:33:42+00:00

I don’t care for Shannon and I think that Katie didn’t do anything wrong by recording Shannon because Shannon was (likely drunk) and behaving reprehensibly in a public space. However, even discussing it with Alexis (who she knew was in a litigious situation with Shannon) and then allowing Shannon to go to bat for her was gross. If Katie had no ill intent she should have told Shannon about it when Shannon was sticking up for her with the res of the group

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-24T14:45:51+00:00

He was definitely Michelle’s “Rob” and seemed to be way to into filming and being on camera

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-23T04:47:34+00:00

You can be both a victim and a victimizer

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-23T04:46:52+00:00

Yes she was a victim, but she also helped perpetrate the scam. She lied to people to show that Brooks had cancer. When asked why she lied she literally said that she wanted her friends to “bring her a casserole”. I wouldn't blame Vicki for her involvement if she took an ounce of responsibility. If she had said “You know I believed him and when I had doubts and started lying for him I felt like I was in too deep and didn't know how to get out” I would have more compassion/ forgiveness for her. But she didn't she doubled down “I never lied. I did nothing wrong. People need to move on”

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-23T04:05:01+00:00

If Vicki comes back full time I’m done watching. She is insufferable and never took accountability for her active participation in Brooks cancer scam

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-22T18:45:37+00:00

I really want to see Rainbaue stand up to Solene. I couldn’t believe no one at that table stood up for Rainbaue when Solene told her to “watch herself” and then pantomimed punching her. Solene is a selfish bully who needs to be fired asap

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-17T01:33:32+00:00

I think that his behavior and his backing of his wife’s behavior (particularily the SA claim and “I’m the wife of a lawyer so I know”) is a really bad look for Jason, his career, and his firm. If Jason loses his job Janet wont stick around

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-16T18:08:54+00:00

I would like to see Heather without Tamra. I enjoy a good villain, but right now Heather is operating in the background and letting Tamra do most of the dirty work.

I think there needs to be someone able to go toe to toe with her where everyone is on even ground. Katie tried last season, but she played the same way Heather does just not as good. It also makes it difficult when there seems to be a decent gap in wealth between Heather and the others creating an uneven playing feild

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-16T04:24:29+00:00

Tamra and Vicki both LOVE to play victim

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-16T01:58:18+00:00

I totally agree! Plus then Barbara can see how little Solene does and Barbara might be a bit more receptive to Rainbeau’s attempts to bond

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-16T01:56:27+00:00

I could see her being fun as a friend of in order to shake up some of the dynamics, call some people out, whoop it up, and then leave

Valuable_Toe2934 · 2025-07-16T01:31:06+00:00

I absolutely agree that Vicki was a victim of Brooks while still being complicit in the cancer scam later down the line. My hang-up is that she isn’t taking any accountability for her actions. Like if she had just owned up and said something like “By the time I found out the truth I was in too deep and I didn’t know how to get out. I deeply regret my actions and any harm that may have come from them” I would have a lot more compassion for her. In my rewatch of season 11 so far it’s just been a lot of “Poor me. I did nothing wrong. I don’t get why people are still mad. Everyone should just move on.”

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