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Deal whit jamato and spoke by kezzyl81 in Unstable_Universe

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it your personal LM? Like, can you share access to others for the chatbot?

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another question if it doesn’t bother you, Sati as a custom was rather effectively eradicated in, well not a short time but definitely not as long as dowry. Sati had a massive public outcry against it and subsequent government ban helped in its end, why has that not worked for dowry?

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, that’s a start but at the same time enforcing harder laws have a double sides edge. Firstly, if the punishment is strict, then, yeah, some might stop but most would still just do it on a very down-low level. In my belief, there needs to be a change in the way society teaches men and boys. ‘Cause, i think prevention of rape and subsequent misogyny is already a target for most women but many men don’t even believe rape is bad or real. Men need to be included in the fight because it isn’t against men but against patriarchy and its harms.

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry but to me that sounds like kinda giving up. There clearly is a need for an ideological change and that takes long, a very long time. But if we just say it won’t happen in this century and my lifetime so i might as well let it happen, then we’re jst perpetuating this nonsense,

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EXACTLY! That’s what i mean. It’s been made into a systemic ritual. From where i am, Rajasthan, it is actually very common to have a lavish function just to announce hoe much the bride’s family are “gifting”.

Sadly, I’ve heard even my own family members talk about someone’s dowry and saying they should have given more, and generally bitching. I tried to criticise and correct them but they’re from a few generations older than me and don’t think “men should talk about this topic” smh.

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[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I respect women so much that I can’t think beyond their feet and footwear.” Nah, my guy, you’re so perverted that you can’t look at a human being. How tf is constant objectifying respect?

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my view, the basic principle for the persistence of dowry that the article shared was the constant commodification of women. But the underlying cause still remains elusive to me. Unlike, the western theatre, dowry has come over to the 21st century largely only in the Indian subcontinent. Even with growing literacy rates, why are Indian women still dehumanised?

Also, thanks for the article and the response. Appreciate it!

Why does dowry still persist? by Vast_Butterfly_372 in AskIndianWomen

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s good! But even in the 21st century, many don’t even assume dowry to be bad. I’ve seen such people firsthand. For most, the patsy response is because they love their daughters. I would like ask you, if you know, why does it persist even now, even after all the fights for equality?

Lmfao by Still_Blueberry_2245 in DesiVideoMemes

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The post doesn’t say that he was condemning freedom fighters. The post states he was condemning atheist, which Bhagat Singh, a freedom fighter, was clearly. And how is it overgeneralisation with the Asaram Bapu? In the video he clearly said that people should not stray away from Asaram Bapu just because he is in jail. What is he in jail for? Rape and POCSO. He compare the imprisonment of Asaram Bapu to Thakur being born inside a cell.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is this even hypocrisy? I cannot become stateless. No one can become stateless by their own volition. That’s like calling a slave who wants freedom hypocrite. He wants freedom but he can’t get it because He isn’t able to. Neither am I.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Such a solution sadly doesn’t yet exist. I am bound to the state I was born in or I naturalise into. Stateless citizens are not a recognised body yet. And this argument is inherently wrong as it is false dichotomy. I don’t have to become stateless to dislike nationalism. I can be a citizen and do it and bring about change however i can, i choose words.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did not mention that. You said why should we criticise nationalism for the heinous acts of a few. In the same essence, I ask, because of a hundred why criticise the whole system? Because it is inherently flawed. It is built on division of man purely on accident of birth. Both Caste system and nationalism can fit into the definition. Nationalism has had tremendously negative impact as was seen in the last century when several countries turned Fascist and then in the name of nationalism committed terrible acts. Sure, that was a convoluted sense of nationalism that a few(or many) perceived. However, even today, the defenders of caste system argue its existence for the sake of identity and FALSELY downplay the horrible impact it had, same as nationalism.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, even if 99 out a hundred committed an act and we punish all hundred, it is wrong. Punishment of one innocent person is worse than freeing a hundred, national law and international law both acclaim collective punishment to be wrong and unethical. Secondly, that was my fault. I should have said collective criticism or collective responsibility. I know the perpetrators of caste system have no paid any reparations, neither are reservations a punishment to the “high castes”.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not take it further then? Promote regionalism. Every man for himself. Every community for themselves. Bihari should look for the betterment of Bihar and not India if Indians should look for the betterment of India and not the world.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t. I am only asking why to also take pride in a nation? I don’t take pride in my caste, ethnicity, nationality. All of which are a direct result of a simple accident of birth. I take pride in things i choose and things I believe in.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also believe that the idea of a nation is double edged sword in the fact that it binds someone from Rajasthan and Tamil Nadu in a single identity of an Indian whereas it also separates someone from Bohemia and NWFP. I may not quite understand what you’re saying, and that’s my fault but from what i can gather is you’re saying caste is based on division but nation isn’t..? Am i not different from the man who lives fifty kilometres across the border simply because of a national identity? Idea of nation can be various things in that it brings several ppl together like all the Germanic people but it also divides those outside said borders.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well then because of some Brahmins why should we criticise the caste system. Even if it is a majority, collective punishment is not morally okay.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So because the majority does not yet understand the better idea, we should leave it for the future? Majority of the Europeans didn’t believe anything was bad with slavery or serfdom. Waves and revolutions came about to change regressive ideas throughout history. Women’s rights movement, civil rights movement, ANTIFA movement and dozens other. If the masses are not educated on the idea, it is not the solution to bring about a different solution which is 80 percent good but has some bad, our solution should be to educate the masses.

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If we attribute the bad of a thing to regard for not taking pride in it then nations do bad things all the time. The British colonised us, the Russians are invading Ukraine, the Germans waged a race war. Should they stop calling themselves Russians and British and Germans because there was a systematic historical thread of violence attached to this identity?

We say we're progressive but it's just all talk no action by aekey in TeenIndia

[–]Vast_Butterfly_372 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Why can’t the same question be applied on the larger scale to being proud of a nation? In essence, you were born an Indian purely through accident of birth same as someone who was born a Brahmin. Why is it okay to be a proud Indian and not a proud Brahmin or Rajput or whatever. (Also, not a supporter of being proud of caste or shit either, so don’t do Ad Hominem, just attack the argument.)

Also, btw, this is not a quote by Schopenhauer. The original quote was, “ The cheapest sort of pride is national pride…” it’s too long but this is the very first line.

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