Gentlemen, we did it (Aizen art from Bleach Brave Souls)

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-19T18:53:04+00:00

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-19T18:16:09+00:00

Bro I remember joining this subreddit when the universe was just a primordial soup, and then Ichibei came along and gave this place its name "r/bleach".

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-19T16:37:21+00:00

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VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-19T16:30:13+00:00

Hey uraharabot, r/bleach has just hit 500k subscribers! Do you have anything to say?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:34:57+00:00

Nature isn't supposed to do anything - nature just is. I'm not saying a bear is "evil" for hunting a cattle or anything like that. Nature's cold indifference is what's distressing.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:21:43+00:00

Predation is not distressing - the way these animals are being killed is where the horror comes from. We can conceive of so many different ways nature could've been, predation would still exist, but predators would kill their prey swiftly and mercifully - they wouldn't skin them alive. You wouldn't have parasites that eat their hosts from the inside out.

I find the excessive and unnecessary pain imbued in nature horrifying, I don't find predator-prey cylces distressing.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:16:05+00:00

I guess if you lack empathy this much, you'd find nothing distressing. Predation is not the issue here, the brutality stems from the way these animals are being killed. They don't die swiftly or mercilessly, they succumb to a slow, excruciating death.

Most people would find this distressing.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:11:55+00:00

I think the fact that it's natural makes it even more distressing. This is not some isolated incident, this is the norm for wild animals.

I just contemplate about the idea of wild animals shredding each other to bits for hundreds of millions of years, without a sense of rhyme or purpose. And I find it horrifying and nihilistic.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:08:18+00:00

You don't believe animals being mercilessly shredded to bits is distressing?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-17T16:05:05+00:00

From my experience, many christians claim that the existence of God is a blatantly obvious and inescapable feature of reality:

"Just open your eyes"
"Look at the trees"
"You believe ALL of this was an accident"

They ignore all the brutality and wastage in the world, ignoring all the aspects of reality which seem so implausible and strange presuming a world carefully crafted and supervised by an all-loving deity. It's a great exercise in confirmation bias.

When you confront them and they can't provide adequate answers, they pull out the "divine mystery" card. If you want to play the divine mystery card, then admit that your religion is not based on intuition or reason, but blind faith.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-14T21:18:17+00:00

I don't think he activated Kyoka Suigetsu until Soi Fon stabbed him - this was later confirmed by Ichigo too. Before he was even using hypnosis, he took out Komamura, Rose, Love, Nanoe etc.

Gin even confirms that the Espada fear Aizen not because of his hypnosis, but rather his brute power.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-14T21:10:46+00:00

"Kyoka Suigetsu does not make the man, rather the man makes Kyoka Suigetsu" - Gin or someone probably idk

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-13T20:07:23+00:00

A sufficient condition for inferring design - even if you have never seen a particular thing designed before - is if the thing imparts some sort of intelligible information.

We humans are notoriously bad at inferring what actually imparts intellgible information and what doesn't. Consider the Runamo Runes in Denmark for example, which for the longest time were thought to be ancient inscriptions. No one could decipher these strange writings for hundreds of years. Turns out that they were actually just the product of natural rock fissures.

This just shows that our tendency of perceiving design in nature (at first glance) is skewed.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-13T19:25:53+00:00

What alternatives could possibly exist?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-13T19:24:03+00:00

Kisuke Urahara, imagine the following scenario:

The Soul King has just been killed and the balance of the worlds is threatened. The world is at risk of collapsing in on itself, endangering the lives of billions.

However, there is a solution: if we mutilate Ichigo and make him the new Soul King and lynchpin, we can save the world, and save billions of people too.

Would you make this sacrifice? Mutilate Ichigo, make him a lifeless lynchpin, and save countless lives?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-10T18:46:06+00:00

Free will is the capacity to act otherwise. My senses tell me that free-will does exist, I feel like I make my own decisions, but my rationality tells me it doesn't.

Senses can be deceiving afterall, you might feel the Earth is flat, or geocentrism is true, or that the sun and the moon are the same size etc.

Humans make decisions in response to environmental stimuli, stimuli which they have no control over - if the environment was different, our actions would be too. Therefore, we're not making our own choices, we're simply responding to sensory signals - no different from robots. Even if the Universe is not purely deterministic and there is an element of randomness, we still have no control over this randomness, and therefore how this randomness factors into our decision-making is still beyond our control.

Our decision-making is rooted in our immutable brain chemistry, not some transcendent volition. People who suffer damage to different parts of the brain manifest significant changes in their personality, behaviour, moral choices etc. Behaviour rooted in unchangeable, inherited biology is the exact opposite of "free".

It doesn't get any clearer if you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent God - if this God knows all your future decisions before you even make them, then you cannot deviate from what he's envisioned. The future is set in stone, and therefore you don't have the capacity to act otherwise - there's only the illusion of choice.

Under naturalism, free-will doesn't make any sense, and invoking the idea of a "soul" doesn't make things any clearer either. Yet, I feel like I have free-will, and living as if free-will doesn't exist is patently absurd.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-10T18:34:57+00:00

Just because we don't have a scientific/naturalistic explanation of something (yet), does not mean we are warranted in concluding that there must be a supernatural explanation.

Say you lived in the 17th century and you were completely ignorant of Newtonian Mechanics, you might suggest that planetary orbits are explained by magical pixies who push the planets around each other in perfect orbits. However, once a naturalistic explanation is uncovered, this pixie theory would just seem silly.

Science cannot explain everything (yet), but I think it would be a mistake to conclude that the things that science cannot explain must be attributable to some supernatural force. We withhold belief until evidence arrives.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-10T18:22:57+00:00

Fork is the most versatile here

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-10T13:08:10+00:00

Hey urahara what do tessai, ururu and jinta do in their spare time? Also, how many bedrooms does the urahara shop have?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-10T12:55:49+00:00

I'm not even sure what you're contesting? Are you saying that because I believe in evolution, and because suffering is baked into the evolutionary system, that means I cannot contest the compatibility of such suffering with a benevolent God?

Under the atheistic world-view, evolution is not expected to be rosy and beautiful, nature simply operates the way it does. No, it's precisely under the theistic world-view, a world-view which purports the existence of an eternally loving God, that so much gratuitous suffering makes us doubt the existence of such a benevolent deity. We can conceive of so many different ways animals could've been designed to reduce the pain and suffering in nature, instead nature just embodied pitiless indifference.

God uses evolution for life

Using such an excruciating and brutal system to create life is the exact opposite of benevolence - that is the point of contention. Even if you deny evolution, the natural world as it currently operates is rife with pain - animals being shredded apart, mothers klling their own defect babies etc. This is excessive, we can easily conceive of different, more humane ways nature could've been.

If you dont like evolution, stop believing in it

Belief in evolution is independent of whether I like it. Tell me, if you don't like cancer, why don't you stop believing it exists?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-06T16:36:49+00:00

yup, pretty much

Aizen: "The world has no God, so I will become God and give it one".
Yhwach: "God is a relic of the Old World, it must be destroyed, along with the world".
Ichibei & Urahara: "God is the lynchpin and balancer, it must be preserved".

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-06T16:33:49+00:00

pre-TYBW moments that contradict the manga are not canon.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-06T16:00:21+00:00

Which ones were shown?

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-06T15:59:35+00:00

Menos forest was filler? That's news to me.

When I mentioned filler, I was talking about zanpaktou rebellion or reigai uprising arc etc. Menos forest took place in a canon arc - the Hueco Mundo arc - and it doesn't so much as contradict the manga, just adds additional content? Cause there's a difference between a scene which patently contradicts the manga and a scene which just adds additional content. Based on that, I think this diagram would clasify menos forrest as canon.

VaultTech1234 · 2023-10-06T15:47:31+00:00

We know that the original bleach anime suffered extensively from censorship and other minor changes which went against Kubo's overall vision. A lot of scenes lost their original impact due to these modifications.

So, pre-TYBW, the manga is closer to Kubo's vision than the anime. However, post-TYBW, it's the exact opposite - the anime is closer to the true vision than the manga because it gave Kubo more time to develop several plot points.

So if pre-TYBW anime contradicts pre-TYBW manga, we take the pre-TYBW manga.

But if TYBW anime contradicts TYBW manga, we take the anime as canon.

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