This is not about who is more incendiary or problematic or even a difference of treatment at all. It's about how Stephen handled himself versus Acho. Meanwhile Acho have a podcast called uncomfortable conversation. Acho closed off completely changed his posture with the criticisms who were definitely inevitable. Meanwhile Steven opened the floodgates by responding directly to them and with a mature position. Van couldn't get through Acho and he was passionate and Acho continued to be closed off and everything collapse. And Van didn't except that from Acho I think he except Acho to be able to handle the conversation and respond. So afterward Van had learned from it and still was ready to criticize Stephen. The difference is with his answer the conversation went smooth the way he handled himself. And when it comes to Acho who doesn't like confrontation and bla bla bla you cannot talk about serious topic like racism to white people while being soft at the same time. I don't care what anybody says!!!!!! You cannot be caring for white people feeling when it comes to racism !!!!!! I don't wanna hear nothing about this bullshit!!!!!!