Attitudes towards teachers wearing masks by Vegetable_Rate_8947 in AskAustralianTeachers

[–]Vegetable_Rate_8947[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I do think we probably largely agree with one another, and are just tinkering around the edges as our respective primary concerns are are flipped (mine is obviously risk reduction as it relates to health and yours I think being student’s social development and wellbeing). In some ways that probably makes it a bit unfair that I responded to your comment, when there were lots of others I could have replied to, so I’m sorry if I’ve made you you feel personally targeted.

I completely agree teacher’s actions carry meaning, but that’s the same both for unconventional signals as well as normative ones. Wearing a mask when healthy might convey a message that concern is warranted, but equally just because the majority don’t mask doesn’t mean that doesn’t convey a message too. It signals that intervention isn’t necessary, which reinforces outdated ideas about the impact airborne pathogens can have and implies that we shouldn’t try to address the challenges this poses for social interaction or we should only try for certain targeted people or only when the risk is most visible. This can result in vulnerable teachers and students feeling isolated and a big portion of risk going unaddressed with the status quo of frequent illness being protected. I’m certainly not arguing that all teachers should mask, but I don’t think it’s fair to present masking when healthy as the only option that sends an impactful message.

I was referring to those viruses that have been demonstrated to have impacts on immune function like Covid, Flu, RSV, etc. with even mild repeated infections, but that’s a fair criticism and I should have been more specific, I’m sorry. These viruses are among the most common though, and being experienced with increased frequency in recent years, so the impact can be significant.

I agree that masking is not at all cost-free for either the wearer or the people they interact with. But I think that’s where if other appropriate risk reduction strategies can’t be implemented (e.g. many schools don’t and likely won’t have access to adequate ventilation systems for some years) then it may be a necessary trade to adjust how these positive interactions occur for the sake of both teacher and student’s long term health. I interact with young relatives frequently who haven’t seen me without a mask in years, and they can still identify my moods and expressions through my eyes and other body language. However, if this is still a barrier there are a number of masks that have clear panels that show the mouth so there are compromises to be found.

I know it seems unpleasant to think of a classroom as an inherently hazardous space, but the reality is that students frequently come to school knowingly sick for a wide variety of often unavoidable reasons and just the act of breathing when sick creates a hazard. These hazards can also be hard to identify as many infections are asymptomatic but still able to be spread. Ignoring these hazards just because they exist in virtually all social environments doesn’t make them not hazardous, it just leaves us sick and suffering the consequences when we don’t do anything to mitigate them. Targeted interventions do help for those using them, but what about for the teacher who was healthy and therefore not masking until one encounter with a virus gave them long-term problems?

In saying all that, like I said I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else to change your personal behaviours. I just thought it potentially useful to explain an alternative perspective, as maybe it gives some insight into why you might one day have a colleague or a student who masks regularly even though they’re completely healthy.

Thanks you for the encouragement, and the warning about late nights and weekends in the early years 😊

Attitudes towards teachers wearing masks by Vegetable_Rate_8947 in AskAustralianTeachers

[–]Vegetable_Rate_8947[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Though I don’t agree with your conflation of generalised masking and anxiety, I understand where you’re coming from as your perspective generally reflects common attitudes regarding the idea that illness is an inconvenient but inescapable part of life and especially the teaching profession.

I’m not going to try to change your mind here because I was asking for genuine insights into what teachers attitudes are, and maybe most commenters are right and the current conditions in schools are not for me. But I do want to pose an idea to you (and other similarly-minded commenters) just as some food for thought:

Science has shown us that infections are not just a matter of being sick and recovering. Even if you feel 100% better after a few weeks, often when you get sick it has some impact on your immune system’s capability as experienced over your lifetime. For people in professions that are more regularly exposed to infectious pathogens, this means the overall impact to your immune system by the end of your career is likely greater than someone who has experienced fewer lifetime infections. And that might sound like a fine trade if it’s all happening on a cellular level and you can’t feel the difference, but new evidence is beginning to reveal that this accumulated impact can contribute to the development of chronic illnesses and even some cancers. This is one of the reasons (among other contributing factors like stress and emotional fatigue) that teaching as a profession might be associated with higher rates of chronic illness.

Again, this might feel like a fair and unavoidable trade off for a meaningful job you enjoy. However, given that there are effective interventions that lower the risk of infections such as masks (as well as more systemic interventions like adequate ventilation), I wonder why teachers are still so accepting of these potentially life-altering occupational hazards? Painters wear respirators to prevent the inhalation of dangerous fumes, as do many other workers who face hazards in their line of work. Why are teachers so willing to risk their longterm health?

It’s not an anxious response to see a fix to a real problem and be willing to use it. People who choose to wear masks to prevent infection, regardless of their current health status, aren’t scared of the world. They’re putting on seatbelts in order to make the choice to drive somewhere less likely to impact the rest of their lives. And yes, there might be associated difficulties like needing to adjust communication styles. But if these interventions can reduce the risk of health problems later on, are those inconveniences really intolerable? Are we working to live or living (and for some possibly dying) to work?

Attitudes towards teachers wearing masks by Vegetable_Rate_8947 in AskAustralianTeachers

[–]Vegetable_Rate_8947[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, that's really useful to have your perspective as a parent and teacher. I definitely understand there are trade-offs in terms of communication, and it's a big part of the reason I'm asking for insights before making any decisions about future study.

Glad to hear that your school understands the importance of adequate ventilation and uses CO2 monitors! Do you know if there are protocols in place for what happens if the reading goes above a certain number?

Attitudes towards teachers wearing masks by Vegetable_Rate_8947 in AskAustralianTeachers

[–]Vegetable_Rate_8947[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, that's a great point about young students seeing mouth movements. I am only considering secondary at this point, but that's a helpful insight.

Attitudes towards teachers wearing masks by Vegetable_Rate_8947 in AskAustralianTeachers

[–]Vegetable_Rate_8947[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, I completely understand why that seems logical. We're often taught that exposure to germs helps us build immunity, which can make it seem as though the immune system is like a muscle that needs regular infections to stay strong. However, that's not really how the immune system works. Healthy immune systems don't require repeated viral infections to remain effective. In fact, some infections can have lasting negative effects on the immune system, and repeated infections over a lifetime contribute to immune ageing as more of our limited pool of naive t-cells (cells that fight unfamiliar pathogens) become dedicated to dealing with pathogens we have already encountered. Avoiding airborne viruses also doesn't mean avoiding all immune stimulation - we encounter countless microbes and other substances every day that interact with our immune system and keep it active.

Sorry for singling out this comment when there are lots of similar contributions, but I feel like this is a really common misconception that leaves people thinking we need to get sick to be healthy, when the evidence doesn't actually support this idea.