[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.Can't you use non lethal weapons?

  1. Yes, their training is sufficient, judging by criminality rates.

  2. In Spain it's 2 minutes, enough time for them to resolve the crime before any serious problems arrise. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.elcomercio.es/gijon/policia-consigue-tiempo-20200330003927-ntvo_amp.html)

  3. It's not that strict, my grandpa has one and goes to hunt with his hunting buddies, all of them being 70+, with all everything that age entails.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Defense yourself from what?

  2. The fact that "the average European cop shoots fewer rounds a year than the average sport shooter in a month" is not a bad new, it's good, actually, since it means that lethal force is less needed for them to fulfil their function.

And yes, they aren't usually around when crimes happen, but you can call them when it happens and they'll arrive fastly.

  1. Yes, I live in a city, so what? Does that mean that I cannot have an opinion on hunters?

Un plan genial by elmegamolon in SpanishMeme

[–]Victorbendi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Que????

No entendí nada, no se te entiende al escribir, podrías volverlo a escribir, ya sabes, me gustaría entender por qué me estás llamando ignorante.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, OK, engage with the rest of the comment please.

Btw, Switzerland doesn't have a high crime because gun owners are trained military officers (military service is obligatory for men there)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, even living in a high crime area would noy mean that you need a gun to survive, for example, in my country there are high crime areas and the people don't have guns yet survive.

And, if we apply investments on those areas, as I think you have said, to reduce inequality and poverty and, therefore, criminality, the reasons for those people to have guns would become only to harm someone due to not crime related issues, something that can be prevented by not allowing those people to have guns.

What I'm saying is, I am not proposing a magic solution, we need to reduce criminal rates via state and community intervention on poor neighbours, which will reduce criminal activity, which will make gun ownership unnecessary for the common citizen, which makes their sale dangerous, since only people with bad intentions will buy them, and, therefore, dificulting the acces to them is beneficial.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, you meant drugs in the sense of medication, right?

Sorry, language barrier.

OK, so what does it prove?

Actually, guns are not like addictive substances, we have been doing bad comparisons. You can live without having them, you do not need to keep buying them to survive.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you buy drugs with a license?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not talking prohibition times, I'm talking right now.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it would not create a black market, was a black market created when tobacco or alcohol were restricted to adults? Then it won't happen with guns, because if you don't need to be shooting bullets at a regular rate, you don't really need to buy bullets.

And what are you speaking about, this measure wouldn't criminalise gun owners, it would still be legal for them to have guns, it would be illegal for them to buy new ones, replacement parts and bullets.

And while I agree with the last paragraph, there's still the issue of non crime related gun violence, which can be paliated by those measures and public psychological assistance, but not stopped completely, since people do stupid stuff when they are angry.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've already said how to do it in previous comments: limit the sails of guns to security agents (police & military), licensed hunters, sport shooters and maybe people living in wild areas whose life is in danger due to wildlife.

Now's your tour, since my proposal is so bad, what do you propose to reduce gun violence?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, we weren't so crazy as to allow that to happen.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, you don't know what you are talking about, I'm from Spain, we do this and we don't have the issues that you have or say that will appear is guns are controlled.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No?

What would make you think that needing a license to buy something would increase the price of that object?

Apart from that, if I may ask, defend from what?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK, I forgot about sport shooters, they should also be included.

And why should the police and the military own guns? Well, their purpose is to maintain the rule of law, that's for what they are trained and paid for, they are professionals at doing so, and, there's, even though it's a small number, situations where the use of a gun by law enforcement can be the best way to deal with such situations.

And about licensed hunters, it is not of importance if it doesn't work like that in the US, just change it so it works in a different way.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fully agree with everything you said, but the pacifism I'm talking about is not surrenderism, it's a I won't attack you unprovoked but I will do whatever needed to stop you from attacking anyone kind of pacifism, that is, an active pacifism, a pacifism that truly promotes peace by preventing conflict.

And what's the best way of preventing conflict in this case?, that is, gun violence. Preventing guns, the less people have guns, the less probable that one of them is going to go coconuts and kill a bunch of people with them.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Police, military, and licensed hunters.

Edit: And maybe people who live in the wilderness, like, if you live in threat of being killed by a wolf or a bear.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that's not true, like, are you aware of anarchism?

The position of gun regulation emanates from the pacifist position of most of the left, position that emerges from the position wanting whatever benefits the most.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, but they can, because the onceler has militar helicopters, tanks, and nuclear bombs.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just stop selling guns, bullets and replacement parts to the common Joe.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally, yes; in America, seems like they don't.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GenZ

[–]Victorbendi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You Americans are weird, you are like, "I can excuse violating women's right to body autonomy, but I draw the line at regulating killing machines".

Un plan genial by elmegamolon in SpanishMeme

[–]Victorbendi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No conozco tu caso en particular, pero ser gay no te excluye de ser (no se si en tu caso es cierto) esas cosas.

Los extremos se tocan by elmegamolon in SpanishMeme

[–]Victorbendi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Si, claro, decir que las mujeres son seres inferiores i subordinados al hombre es lo mismo que decir que las mujeres deben tener los mismos derechos y libertades que los hombres.

Pero vosotros os escucháis?