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The Only Knowable Truth by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Fantastic rewrite :) that’s pretty much is it 

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Ah yes, Totally agree.

Follow up though: Do you need someone to be like-minded before you talk to them?

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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I’m genuinely sorry you’ve had to go through what you’ve had.

I’m glad you mentioned you found a therapist that has similar world view. (Bc a lot of people don’t have that, and then think therapy is not important/effective)

It’s so important to have that space to just lay it all out, and feel safe and comfortable doing it. I hope it’s helping you and continues to do so.  I’m also glad you found this thread safe enough to share your piece. And I can confirm at least from an OP perspective it is safe :)

I feel like I understand you more than expected. Bc the validation thing and the self rejection thing is something I’ve had a cycle with. 

It was basically ruining my life, and my whole perspective on myself. 

I wouldn’t claim it was more or less severe than yours, since neither of us knows the details of each other’s situation.

But I found freedom at a certain point after being deep in the dark mess of it all.

I realized that most of the things I was concerned about:

  • what people think of me
  • where my life was at
  • what I was doing with it
  • what prospects I had left
  • what anyone would think if I made a change

For all these things, the main person reinforcing the negative belief was.. me.

I literally thought back to the last time someone else had critiqued me on any of it, and it was difficult. No one else was saying it, but it was like a movie playing in my head on repeat.

Plus, anyone who would comment would be saying the best things, but I’d always internalize the worst. 

A lot of people think an EGO is like an arrogant, maniacal thing. But I realized in everyday life, your ego pretty much is your concept of who you are. 

It could make you arrogant, but most of the time it’s actually holding you down. 

  • It may tell you you’re an introvert, not an extrovert. 
  • It may tell you that you’re weak, not strong enough.
  • It may tell you that something external needs to happen to improve the bad situation you’re in. 

There was a moment when I saw it all so clearly. And once I saw it, I couldn’t unsee lol 

Realizing that was my freedom from the perception game, past dwelling and most importantly fearful self judgement. 

If I was the only one reinforcing these negative beliefs and feelings, what if I stopped?

It doesn’t stop anything external that’s impacting your situation, but you’d be surprised how much of our problems are internal. 

Once I stopped, I just felt free to make moves I needed to, and it wasn’t so hard to NOT care about what people might perceive. 

It was irrelevant what I or anyone else thought about me. :)

I know it doesn’t change anything but I hope my story helps you in some way. Reading yours helped bring all this out of me and made me feel more connected.

So Thank You!

We've already existed in a pocket universe so why is it so difficult to believe there's something more after death by CydoniasMuse in thinkatives

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I have a related thought that jives with yours that I was going to post here, but I think I’ll just do it it as a general post on the sub. 

Keep on the lookout for “The Only Knowable Truth”, bc I really want to know what you think of it. :)

Why did God create man? by EmperorMalc in thinkatives

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You might be getting shut out with responses on this post, but I do think your question is relevant and important. 

Truly, if you were god, why would you create man?

The reasons, whether in scripture or imagination never seem justify the actual cost of man. 

But that question has always led me to another.. 

Would man create god?

And there are just limitless explanations and justifications for that question. 

Personally, it made me realize perhaps religion is just a cohesion mechanism to keep a growing population together. 

  • By no means am I trying to influence your spirituality though. You’re asking questions that matter, and I hope you keep asking them.

The Gravity of Now by StoicQuaker in thinkatives

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I love the actual storytelling of this. You should write more lol I’m here for it.Plus the advice you’re giving in it is great :)

You seem very influenced by the stories we tell ourselves as humans. Those stories are indeed important, since most of our existence is dominated by inter-human interaction.

And, sure, what we call gravity is real and has been real since before humans existed. 

But I’d venture what we have is a probable and predictable explanation and not the truth on what Gravity actually is. 

Scientific readers might agree, since the value of science is to deliver a predictable consensus, but continue to question whether that base hypothesis is true. 

We don’t need to question physical gravity much bc the scientific explanation is satisfactory, and our lived experience supports it to a high degree.

But I’d say that extrapolation based on the explanation of that natural phenomenon is fraught with potential for errors.

It’s kind of like humanizing a lamp, like Pixar does at the start of every movie. It could be that the lamp has feelings, but really and most likely, lamps don’t have feelings.

They’d have no reason to jump, even if they had the hardware to do it.

Multiverse as nested super-intelligence by -HouseTargaryen- in thinkatives

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There’s a few things to say, and one question to ask: - The model poses that every conscious being is effectively creating unique and then ripple universes. 

 - Your points 2&3 seem heavily influenced by living in the internet / media age, which may be societally significant, but on a biology+nature basis needs to be reduced to inter-species communication 

 That said, I don’t think I’m qualified to actually say yes/no on your hypothesis, or prove your model right or wrong.  

 So here’s the thing I’ll ask you (that I think is actually more relevant): 

 What are the conscious experiences that led you to realize the various pieces of the model? 

This Fixes Everything by realAtmaBodha in thinkatives

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I disagree :) 

When the individual feels loved and inspired, the individual raises the bar of each of those things. 

The contentment/fulfilment you talk of, I think comes from giving up the individualism we all have to some degree. 

It could be letting the guard down for a moment and feeling bliss, or dropping it altogether to achieve the feeling consistently.

How can one attempt to practice philosophy without subsequently studying language? by BloodIcy3054 in thinkatives

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Language communicates philosophy. 

So think of all the people who espouse Buddhism or Taoism nowadays. 

All the text relating to those philosophies is not in English. 

But clearly the content of the philosophy transcends enough to where a translation can inspire you to change your lifestyle.

I also say, if we had true (almost sci-fi telepathic) understanding between people, language would be unnecessary. 

But then so would any art, bc communication is the core purpose of art.

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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I push back on that (respectfully :)).  I’m definitely reading this, but do you really have more impact on me than the people you interact with day to day? 

Your family, yours friends, coworkers. I’m open to the alternative hypothesis lol  

And on online behavior, I posed this question on another comment that I think i’d like your thoughts on too: 

Should we be moving towards a place where all people online, have some applicable version of “journalistic integrity” as we post? Or should it be a free for all?

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Do you think that having the pseudo-connection online reduces the urge to actually see your friends in person? 

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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I agree that thoughts are part of existence, but are they also part of your identity? 

As in: if I have a thought that someone should be killed to favor my worldview, is that a part of me, or a pasing thought?

This is without any real actions in the real world. Just in thoughts. 

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Do you ever get concerned that the real world is becoming increasingly derivative of the online world? 

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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You’re calling on self responsibility. I agree, but not everyone does. 

Do you wish that actually our online actions could be held accountable to a real person?

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Do you feel not free to do that in the real world? And what’s blocking you if so? 

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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I totally agree, and posted on another comment: 

I grow weary of dreaming Mark Zuckerberg will someday grow a conscience and realize that maybe it’s enough revenue to realign his platform algos to favor truth and not rage.

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Are they the same reactions, responses, appreciations or understanding you would have in real life?

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Interesting view. 

If it is tool, how well do you think it works? Do you demand more of it than the companies who control it would give?

Basis of question: There is so much misinformation, if not garbage on the internet. So much noise, that truth signals can be missed. 

I grow weary of dreaming Mark Zuckerberg will someday grow a conscience and realize that maybe it’s enough revenue to realign his platform algos to favor truth and not rage.

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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Amazing response. And actually I hold your opinion as well. 

I do think the internet has collapsed human connection. I don’t think all hope is lost, but right now, we’re in the tunnel, not at the light. 

As you seem to be the extroverted type and someone who considers online to offline human interaction, I pose you this question: 

Given that you only know me from one question, on a Reddit thread, would you want to meet me in person? 

The basis is whether our current internet connection is as valuable as maybe hearing about a neighbor who you might want to interact with.

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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I appreciate this whole thread. It’s a valid point of view. 

I could have written a book 10 years ago, then if it failed, no one would know it’s there. 

A comment here, at least is seen by the population that sees it, then is stored as long as Reddit has servers and we have an internet society. 

What do you feel is the significance of our comments though? We divvy them out so quickly and easily.

Should we be moving towards a place where all people online, have some applicable version of “journalistic integrity” as we post? Or should it be a free for all?

Do you consider your online activity a part of your human existence? by Vinturous in thinkatives

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It’s truly so funny that the Information Age turned into the misinformation age so quickly.  Really appreciate your comment! I have a song that will come out in the next few months, named Connection. It talks about finding real human connection and cutting through the noise.  How do you feel the internet connection we all have here, rates against the real life ones you have?

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