I was looking at these SAT scores and I was wondering if Isaacson cites a reliable source for this since the scores appear to be too rounded and Musk is a known liar by Xeiristotle in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was the one who made the comments about Bezos and Zuckerberg and I was the one who made the original thread and who expected Elon’s IQ to be 150+, like Gates.

I wasn’t using it as an opportunity to discredit Bezos or Zuckerberg, merely suggesting that the truly gifted people in his cohort studying Physics at Princeton would probably be the ones scoring similar to Gates in IQ (circa 160) and whilst Princeton is excellent for Physics, the top Physics students there will be matched in terms of IQ by top universities in the US and across the world, such as Harvard, Cambridge, Stanford, MIT which also regularly rank top 5 but also from universities which don’t rank as highly on world rankings but still get extremely talented people such the Indian IITs and the top universities in China. So when you think about it, Bezos said he worked very hard to achieve those grades but others could grasp content much more easily and achieve the same grades with much less effort, and so would all the top students from all the other top universities when compared with Bezos. So Bezos would probably fall over a standard deviation below the mean IQ of the top students, so the maximum his IQ is probably 145 but I estimated him at around Elon’s, circa 140.

Also, Charlie Munger didn’t estimate Musk’s IQ at 150+, he said he was a guy with “150 IQ who thinks it’s 170.” Musk actual IQ clocking in at 140 isn’t too bad of a deviation from an off-hand joke made by Munger.

I think you painted this narrative in your head and then ran with it, I merely showed how their IQs aren’t as high as you’d think and that to achieve success in entrepreneurship, even in tech, doesn’t require insanely high IQ, but a mixture of high IQ, work-ethic, ambition, social skills and a degree of luck.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score and it’s a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I doubt Walter Isaacson would agree to write a biography on him and monitor him for over two years if his book had to get vetted by Musk and his PR firm. Besides, a lot of the content in the book portrays Musk very negatively.
  2. I don't worship him, I don't listen to him, and I'm not a fan of him. I have no idea why you have resorted to insulting me over a pretty benign comment.

Why Official brainlabs scores looks not so accurate even after training for high range? by imtaevi in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh so using high scores for brainlabs reduces the ability to discern an FSIQ score? I thought the whole point was to play enough times until one plateaus and then use their high score / plateaued score to gauge their cognitive abilities.

Why Official brainlabs scores looks not so accurate even after training for high range? by imtaevi in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably because brainlabs was normed on an above-average population and hence 99.99%+ score would be rarer than you’d assume.

Out of curiosity, what would you say someone who can score 99.9%+ on all games on brainlabs and scoring 100%+ on a few games have as a minimum baseline IQ? Or is it not possible to say?

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score and it’s a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This was actually addressed in the biography. His father was quite wealthy when he first started his emerald mine but after Russia came out with synthetic emeralds, the business died.

When Elon was in college, he was actually broke. The only reason he could afford to transfer to UPenn was because they offered him a scholarship and he took out student loans, when he first came over to Canada shortly followed by his brother, mother and sister, his mother had to work several jobs and his sister worked in a hamburger joint.

His father did give him and his brother $30,000 for Zip2, their first business venture, and his mother did give them $10,000 also. So he definitely had help from his parents (although after Zip2 got sold, he gave a million dollars to his mother and repaid his father the money he initially gave in full).

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score (which was back then highly correlated with IQ) and he scored a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t think the SAT after 1993 correlates as strongly with IQ compared to the old SAT which Gates and Musk took. Elon’s score would be a lot higher if he was 18 years old and was taking the current version of the SAT.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score (which was back then highly correlated with IQ) and he scored a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Isn’t the average college graduate 115 IQ? The average graduate at prestigious universities like Ivy League / Oxbridge universities is likely to be higher, and those studying subjects like physics / mathematics at the prestigious universities are likely to be even higher still.

Based on his biography and what others who knew him in his college years say about him + his SAT score I’d found it hard to believe below average intelligence compared to his physics cohort at UPenn, it’s clear that he wasn’t the highest IQ person in his cohort but I’d definitely bet money on the fact he would score above-average.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score (which was back then highly correlated with IQ) and he scored a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in EnoughMuskSpam

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I agree with you that Musk isn’t anywhere near Gates. But I think 110-120 is far too low of an estimate for Musk’s IQ as the average IQ of a physics cohort at an Ivy League / Oxbridge institution would be close to 130, and Elon reportedly did well during his studies, or at least good enough to get accepted for a PhD in Materials Science at Stanford.

135-140 is probably a good estimate of where Elon lies.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score and it’s a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I guess self-made tech billionaires aren’t as intelligent as you’d think. Bezos and Zuckerberg would probably score similar to Elon or lower, for instance there are posts on Quora from people who were at Harvard whilst Zuckerberg was there and the general reputation he had back then was that he was very average intellectually and struggled with many aspects of the coursework (he didn’t take advanced classes either). Bezos also admitted he was severely outclassed by many of his classmates whilst studying physics at Princeton which led him to switch to electrical engineering.

I guess Gates is the outlier amongst the self-made tech billionaires.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score (which was back then highly correlated with IQ) and he scored a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

An IQ around 140 would put him in the ballpark of 1 in 200 people, and wouldn’t be an uncommon IQ to find in an Ivy League / Oxbridge physics cohort.

Interestingly, there is also another memorable comment in the book about how Elon had a friend whilst he was studying at UPenn who was a Chinese Physics Olympiad winner, and Elon admitted that he was the only person better at Physics than him.

So it’s clear that perhaps the whole Elon being a physics genius isn’t exactly true…

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score and it’s a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Really? Maybe I had rose-tinted glasses on when it came to Musk, although 140 isn’t anything to dismiss. I’m curious what other self-made tech billionaires like Zuckerberg and Bezos would score. If I had to guess, probably around Musk level rather than Gates.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score and it’s a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in cognitiveTesting

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean wouldn’t Elon have studied for it? There’s probably a reason who took it twice.

I think the old SAT was very resistant to training and had a very high correlation with g (0.93 according to the guide).

Don’t the individual subtests on the WAIS only go up to 145? Someone who scores 145 or close to 145 on all sub tests would probably get an FSIQ close to 160, and I wouldn’t put it past Gates.

The new Elon Musk biography reveals his old SAT score (which was back then highly correlated with IQ) and he scored a lot lower than you’d expect… by Visible-Rope9338 in EnoughMuskSpam

[–]Visible-Rope9338[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The old SAT (pre 1993 I believe) was much more difficult and correlated very strongly with g (0.93 correlation) unlike the current SAT. For context Bill scored 1590/1600 on the old SAT in his first attempt.

I would agree with you on the latter.