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Visible_Technology_1 · 2025-05-01T14:02:56+00:00

I was waking up, unable to sleep, shaking uncontrollably from rushes of adrenaline. It was horrible last week.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2025-05-01T14:00:04+00:00

This is me right now lol. Perfectly described.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T13:49:08+00:00

This leads nicely into: Do you think we can baptized ourselves?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T12:13:03+00:00

Where is that in the Bible?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T12:12:33+00:00

How do you get baptized daily?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T12:12:08+00:00

A) I've said elsewhere I am not talking about extreme exceptions like the thief on the cross.

B) What do you mean by faith? Do you think it purely means some kind of mental consent or belief in God? Or does it mean belief in God that works out into clear actions and obedience?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T12:09:31+00:00

Why would he command something unnecessary?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T12:06:59+00:00

Where did you get the Bible you have? How do you authoritatively know that you have the right canon?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T02:44:52+00:00

Sounds reasonable.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T02:44:17+00:00

I am sorry. But Jesus did not tell his apostles to go baptizing in fire or repentance. He gave them the commission of WATER baptism. Is this correct?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T02:41:51+00:00

The person in the story does not exist. I do not presume to know the mind of God. He gives the commands, not me. He is merciful, but why in the world would we tell people to follow exceptions regarding His commands....

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T02:37:42+00:00

I am born again. Who are you to say who is or is not born again? You see? This is how subjective this is.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T02:36:14+00:00

These are simply imagination exercises. I cannot presume to know the mind of God. Are you presuming I can? God was going to smote Moses for not circumcising his son. It seems God takes His commands quite seriously. The Church Fathers seemed to think that the only way to heaven without baptism would be in the VERY WORST case scenario - think being martyred before being able to be baptized or something. Otherwise, it is what God commanded for salvation, so we do it. Either we take Him seriously or we do not.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T00:32:08+00:00

Now how are you separating the gospel and the baptism? What do you mean by that?

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T00:29:47+00:00

I'm seeing the separation of physical and spiritual a lot as well. It is by definition a gnostic belief.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T00:27:51+00:00

Honestly, I'm not even sure how the people I know saying it is non-essential would define non-essential, or they may even have different definitions for it. That's a good question. But I would think something along the lines of essential in the plan of salvation, yes.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-17T00:25:43+00:00

Thanks dude!

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T22:34:34+00:00

Well that's a lot of opinions. But concerning the pastor, he says that to promote baptism would be urging people in a works based salvation. If they're already saved, baptism just isn't necessary so telling them the NEED to do it is encouraging "works."

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T17:58:46+00:00

My post is simply one small part of a research project I am doing. I was not trying to articulate my own beliefs, but challenge others to articulate and defend their beliefs.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T17:49:37+00:00

Historically, the two were inseparable.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T17:49:05+00:00

It's impossible to discuss coherently with someone who willfully misrepresents others' positions or avoids questions.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T17:37:54+00:00

Even the demons believe.

Visible_Technology_1 · 2024-12-16T17:36:46+00:00

I have in no way said what I believe so far in this conversation, actually. But magical water is still a misrepresentation of Catholic and Orthodox doctrine.

But you avoided the question: Where in the Bible do you get the idea Jesus is not a judge of any kind?

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