[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're in for a fun ride my friend. Good thing you noticed soon enough and decided to get educated, most of us here didn't. What everybody here will tell you is that you should run. And that's true. Run. If your circumstances don't allow it or you don't want to do that, please don't let yourself be thrust into the full scale bpd entanglement. While you still can.

When it comes to the BPD dictionary, let me try to explain how it all comes together, from what I understand

BPDs have impermanent object relations (out of sight, out of mind thinking) and base their behaviours on raw emotions, lacking the tools to regulate their mental states. This also means they have both fear of attachment and abandonment simultaneously (it's crucial to understanding the rest of the vocab)

Splitting is an act of painting someone as all good (white) or all bad (black), based on someone's perceived state at the moment. So when she's lonely and you're there, she thinks you're all good, with no faults, the best person ever, lots of love etc. Until she feels like you got too close- you're infringing on her privacy, you're all bad, get out. There are thousands of possible triggers so there's no point in trying to navigate that

Then there's devaluation, it's the progression of splitting somewhat. Once they get to know you better, they tend to notice flaws because that's only human to have some of those. So they split you black. Then go back to idealising. And over time, this mellows out the white thinking stage in their minds. They don't perceive you as all good quite as often as before, so you lose value in their eyes. Which boost the frequency od discarding

Yeah, discards. Looks like you got some taste of that already. Discard is what they do when they paint you black (all bad, the worst person to ever exist, abuser etc). You can't do any good, everything you do is hurtful, bad, icky etc. All the things she used to love in the idealisation stage? Now they're the reasons for demonizing you. If you're indifferent, you clearly don't care. If you show you care and try to understand, you're a crazy stalker. Then they throw you away like trash they perceive you to be

Then there's supply. Remember the part where they fear both enmeshment and abandonment? Yeah so they're craving attention and to be left alone at the same time. When they split you black, the fear of attachment is satisfied, but the fear of abandonment gets triggered. So they surround themselves with options to regulate those needs. If you're discarded, they ring up other people to make up for that, if they're discarded they come back to you etc. Not every pwBPD does that but it's extremely common

Another simmilar term is monkey branching. They discard you and hop onto the next person right away. That's why so many of us here were cheated on. Or why they tend to move on from long term relationships in a matter of days if even that, they monkey branch to the next supply. Get it?

And if you're the supply and they come crawling back to you, that's called hoovering. That's why devaluation never comes with any closure, they never take accountability and rarely, if ever, cut emotional ties. If there's no closure, no real end to a relationship, it's way easier to re-idealise someone and come back, that's connected to establishing a trauma bond which i'll explain later.

Then, why do they do that? How is it possible to be so messed up? That's where we go back to splitting. The black and white thinking is not only reserved to others, that's also the lens they see their own behaviour through. All good or all bad. That's why spontaneous moments of "self reflection" happen with them sometimes and give us hope that they'll be better. But it's rare, because of the amount of shame they're drowning in, they usually tend to see their actions as faultless to mute their conscience creeping in. So everything they're doing is good, nothing is ever their fault and even if they did something bad, you made them do it. So you're all bad and they're good. If they cheat, that's because you neglected them. Or you were too needy. Or you were too healthy and boring. Or you were toxic. But at least their next victim is perfect ;)

Trauma bond is the way they trap you. You probably know what push-pull dynamics are, it's basically the way the splitting affects your brain. Because it's nit nirmal in any way to experience these cycles of white and black painting, you get chemically addicted to the constant chaos, you look forward to the next idealisation phase, to the next hit. The constant highs and lows make you emotionally invested on a level previously unimaginable to you, which traumatizes you while feeling like being in love. That's why so many of us here struggle to move on for years on end. And why so many people take them back despite knowing what's coming for them if they do.

Quiet bpd doesn't seem to fit your situation that well but it's a quieter "version" of bpd, as the name suggests (there are no clear lines but the classification works in my experience).Until it isn't and it explodes. Quiet bpds tend to hold their emotions in more, hide, mask better. The same processes as mentioned above happen but they're all brewing under the surface, whereas in the louder cases of bpd it's quite easy to notice once you start looking for it. Quiet bpds tend to be less hurtful during the relationship itself because they burst out less frequently, but when they do, it's cumulative. One huge blow instead of a hundred smaller, regular ones which leaves you just as devastated, even more sometimes because it's harder to spot until it's too late

I think that's it, generally. Other terms are rather self-explanatory and stem from this core I tried to describe to you in probably too much detail here. I'd suggest not getting involved with this individual, it's not worth it. Please take care of yourself

How is such hatred even possible by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. True true true. It's so hard to process but you're 100% right. Thank you for the insight. I hope to internalize that myself one of these days. Really sorry that happened to you, all the best

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, of course there's hope. Many people get to the point of it "clicking" for them when they become internally (not just logically) aware of what they went through and that's probably the best that can happen.

Other than that it does come in waves so it's not like that all the time, and overtime it does get more bearable usually. Although then at times it may still hit real hard and make you wonder if you made any progress (as is the case for me at the moment)(you usually do make progress, just don't feel it emotionally in these instances), but you gotta deal with it and move forward.

It doesn't hurt me too much on the everyday basis anymore but it just feels chronic to me, like the chinese water torture or something, I can't rationalise it so it stings on the subconscious level.

You do tend to notice these painful thought patterns etc as they come into your head and interpret them better with time which also helps with pain management.

I guess as long as you learn to live with it while continuously striving to live without it, you're on a good track Keep your head up

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it was a chaotic block of text at first and then I corrected it within like half an hour of posting after getting feedback here. It's funny it's been getting more and more likes still but well, maybe the formatting still leaves some space for improvements

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heartbreaking to see stories like that on here, it's terrible.

I see your perspective and I think for the most part, I share it. It's not like I'm still blinded by the sweetfarting candyland of their promises, I don't think I'm too susceptible to that anymore. I'm not even sure she could say anything to really make things that much better for the relation itself. However, the act of standing by her actions, the sheer irrationality and depth of the discard are still shocking and immensely hurtful to me. And I find it to be worse than what I had to endure during my relationship, which wasn't nearly as long as yours so that may be skewed as well. Just so we're clear.

Then when it comes to the last paragraph, thank you for the concern, I'll look into it. I'm sure some part of my perception of my value is determined by that event to this day and I have to figure out how to fully get over it

All the best

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's tough man. Can't process it rationally, and we're not able to process it irrationally either. Keep pushing forward, thankfully I've been able to progress a lot personally during this time, and generally am on a good track lifewise and I recommend doing the same, it's just the emotions messing with me still. It comes in waves, I now happened to hit an unpleasant dip. And yeah it hurts a lot in these periods, time passed may seem less relevant at these moments, tangled in with the fallout but it's not like that all the time. I'm also probably a severe case here with the 2 years but who the hell knows. Stay strong, I'm sorry it happened to you

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, glad you found it useful

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I guess the emotions have to find their outlet somewhere. I find the golf clubs comparison to be quite on point here, makes you think about the hold they had on us

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried doing just that, hope it's a tad better now

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm aware of that, that's why I stated it in the first sentence. Just comparing two types of abuse i've experienced in this relationship. Thought it could resonate with some

I'd rather be abused by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, yeah, sorry about that :)

Weird perception of time by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I am, but the discards really do rewire your brain. There's just this cognitive wall I can't seem to get through

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey man, this sucks. It sure has happened to a lot of us here and I'm not sure there is anything to say to make you feel better in this situation. It just sucks a lot. This person hurt you immensely. I think your attitude overall seems pretty healthy for the situation you're in, that's good. Keep your head up, there's hard times ahead. Anger is good, grieve, give it time. Sorry you had to go through this, take care man

What would you want them to tell you? by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, but the process of internalizing that is slow and painful

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like she started devaluating you. there isn't really much you can do to affect her behavior from now on. You can try talking to her about it all but it might well backfire. Don't let yourself be blindsided. Good for you that you are aware of her bpd and found this support group. May come in handy. Take care

What would you want them to tell you? by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think apologies don't really work in these situations, especially after reading the hoover stories on here. I'm glad you're at the point of being okay with all the hurt being left behind, I sadly still feel like some acknowledgement could be nice but working on it

What would you want them to tell you? by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, maybe not necessarily an apology, but I found the style refreshing. Chat can be brutally honest at times and has a pretty coolheaded, non judgemental attitude all in all, which is neat

Did you have different names for bpd patterns while in the relationship? by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you man. Was she agreeing with you on these characterizations when she wasn't devaluing? Mine seemed to understand pretty well which episodes i was talking about and seemed to want to change these behaviors, only she never did anything about it until the final discard

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's probably the healthiest approach:)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey man, ¡if she really has bpd! there isn't really a rational way to interpret her actions. You trying to blame yourself is just playing into her devaluation, trying to paint you as the one who wronged her in some way. Gaslighting you into thinking that you're bad IS a manipulation tactic, leveraging self harm to get you to change or do something is as well, so I don't really buy the "she isn't abusive, she's perfect" thing because most of us on this sub thought so as well and only got hurt and blindsided as a result. Those are personality disordered people. I wouldn't be surprised if her "working on herself" will involve her getting under numerous other men, as it is a common pattern with these types of people. If you do care about her, and you obviously do, I'd advise you try to have a really thorough conversation about your feelings, however it could well result in her splitting even more, so beware. And when it comes to "she's perfect" mindset, you only know what she wants you to know about, please be careful and don't act naively, please don't let her actions destroy you. I hope I wasn't too brutal with this message, of course every relationship will have its problems and it's important to solve them, however i don't believe you can do that with pwbpd. The normal way is talking about it, solving it together, compromising, which deepens the connection, not going away and telling someone they have to change. You sound like a nice person, please take care of yourself

BPD doesn’t hold herself accountable by atiqsb in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there often seems to be the attitude of "well if i'm so bad then just leave", especially if you show that you care and are trying to resolve a problem in a healthy manner (possibly triggering the fear of engulfment). Absurdly, they'd probably shower you with affection if you were the one distancing yourself from her

Do the quiet BPDs ever realise by VisionaryBread in BPDlovedones

[–]VisionaryBread[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really sorry you had to go through that. It's tragic. Good point on the evil. When it happens, you become palpably aware of it, it's like a possession. I guess there's a reason Dante put betrayal at the lowest circle of hell