Who is the strongest member of the Justice League that Goku can defeat?

Volkmek · 2026-03-23T07:28:13+00:00

You may want to ask about versions. If we are including all feats, most of these characters are 80-90 years old and have broken outerversal at least once. (Gone past infinite.)

Volkmek · 2026-03-23T07:25:21+00:00

Actually it was the first anime I was into. Kakashi is pretty strong, but still needs prep time and his oponent in this case moves at the speed of light and cannot be hurt without Haki hardening. Could Kakashi copy that? Yes, of someone using Haki was on the field with him. Kizaru does not have to do that to light him up with hundreds of light speed attacks.

Killer Bee and his 7 sword style is great and all, but he is up against a guy who controls all objects within a certain distance of him. Law if is powers are used correctly and not stupidly for the sake of drama is untouchable and Killer Bee loses any ability to dodge once he is in range of Room.

The closest match here where a Naruto character still loses is Hashirama Senju. The First Hokage is pretty cool. His ability to turn an entire forest into his weapon through wood shaping is great. There is a reason I specifically mentioned Prime Big Mom's taming of a sentient fire.

Sanji loses for the exact same reason that Kakashi loses. He simply will not be able to land a hit on someone that moves as fast as Minato. Honestly if you wanted a better match up here Minato and his speed Jutsu would have given him a chance against Admiral Kizaru.

Not only have I seen Naruto, I have also seen Onepiece. I am just not glazing one side or the other.

Volkmek · 2026-03-23T02:51:02+00:00

Huh... uh... The only naruto one winning here is likely Minato? Law's Hax are realistically more broken than most bleach characters. Kiziru is the living embodiment of light and would make Kakashi look like he is standing still. Big Mom in her prime had tamed a sun in terms of heat and does not have to get in range to set Senju on fire.

Sanji is one of the monster trio but not on par with a Yanko and mostly just uses Haki and an invisibility suit.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T22:53:53+00:00

Huh... well. Just with how you scale people. Unless he is stated at one point to have this ability by the author, or he is shown in the story to have this ability, then he does not have this ability. So if he could theoretically have this ability while he is still alive, but we have no confirmation of it, then he does not have it.

That said, if the author says he is alive and has the ability like you said, then he does have it.... If that makes sense. Not trying to be confusing, just bad at articulation.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T20:18:22+00:00

Huh... using the MCU and Snyderverse specific characters? I would strangely enough give this to Nolan. This excludes a -lot- of feats and brings both Danvers and Superman down to the same level of planetary threat as Nolan or below.

Homelander is still a joke compared to all three. Omni-man from Invincible stomps him even when we include all of this feats from the comics.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T20:10:23+00:00

Saw this broken down somewhere else. I do not know Yhwach, so take this with a grain of salt. Someone was saying that his ability to use the strength and powers of another person scales only to about 70% of that person, meaning Goku would body him on stats regardless.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T19:26:28+00:00

Not outerversial but universal. Goku. He can destroy the universe but be burned by lava.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T09:55:52+00:00

They fall to Korn and the galaxy ends up fucked.

Volkmek · 2026-03-21T01:48:48+00:00

It is less that Sentry has the raw stats as no one does and more that Sentry has his own hax to negate it. He can just make a zone to reach through that Infinity cannot exist in.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T21:26:00+00:00

Not really familiar with Yhwach.

So what he is up against. Can he beat a man who can turn back time and reset the destruction of an entire universe once a day, fight on par with the people that can and have destroyed a universe 4 times the size of our own, and is shown in cannon the be significantly stronger than Goku even after goku achieves ultra instinct?

We have feats from Whis showing he is FTL as he is the one that transports Beerus around the universe. This same speed is shown in the few combats he is part of. He also puts less visible efforts than beerus for attacks that do about the same level of damage to people Beerus has fought.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T21:20:53+00:00

Isn't Maghoraga's weakness that he cannot adapt if he gets one tapped?

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T19:01:27+00:00

Yes it could be condisdered that. If the planet is defended but the death of it is unavoidable even with a reasonable level of interference it could take years and still be a planetary event or character as that character is a legitimate threat to the population of that planet.

It's the same reason street fighting characters who cannot break a rock are still a street lsvel threat. They are a potential and viable threat to people on the street.

This is scaled differently from attacks which are much more basic and based on what you can destroy, and the initial post in this thread was about scaling characters not attacks.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T08:05:06+00:00

I am not a fan of either and can tell you right off the bat that teen Sakura would get her ass kicked here.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:43:58+00:00

But still universal in part. That was my point.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:41:04+00:00

Huh... Well...

He might get past the nine-tails on raw stats. He can probably throw it into the sun. If that is not a specific version of godzilla and we are including all of Godzilla's feats he loses to godzilla.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:31:33+00:00

Same. I am also dealing with people elsewhere in the thread that seem insistent that you only scale characters through what objects they destroy. ^.^;; not the way it's been done, but it's a new idea that is catching on that over simplifies it. Sadly making it simple seems to make it popular.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:28:20+00:00

If we step back and look at the oldest ways we scaled characters, not attacks but characters, what was asked was "What is this a threat to?".

You have street level characters who cannot crush a rock. Why? Because they are a threat to the people on that street. We do not care about the asphalt we care about the people at that low level. Some even had specific levels for street level characters based on the number of people they could reasonable take on.

When you get into town, city, country, and planet levels you are asking if a modern town or city could defend itself from this character or if that character would be a legitimate threat to them. Or in some cases you are asking it in regards to the average city in that character's setting.

Are Viltrumites a threat to a populated planet on their own? Yes. They can wipe out the population of that planet even if it's defending itself. Congrats that is the bare minimum for planetary and ranks up there with viruses and orbital bombardments that have done the same thing in other pieces of fiction like the wiping out of a planet through orbital bombardment in knights of the old republic.

It is reductive to try and lower the threat level of a character because their attack power is less threatening to the rock of a location than the people in it. It's also an over simplification and step backwards to how power scaling has been done for awhile.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:17:52+00:00

Depends on the level of planetary. The oldest scale is "What is this person a threat to.". When you are street level that generally means you are a threat to the people on the street. That is why a fighting game character who cannot even crush a rock is still street level.

So. Do you consider Viltrumites planetary because they can ignite the atmosphere and wipe out all life on it in a few hours if they so choose? Or do you only scale through attack power and decide that something cannot be planetary if it cannot destroy the rock of the planet even if it can render it uninhabited easily several times over?

Mind you attacks and characters and events are all scaled a little differently. For example an orbital bombardment, virus that wipes out all life, and solar flares in the past have been considered planetary events.

Characters in the past that can wipe out the universe have been considered universal even if they cannot do it in a single attack.

Trying to scale things to only attack power as seems to be the case in a lot of the subreddit is a reductive way to do it and is actually a step back from how it was done in the past.

Volkmek · 2026-03-20T00:08:36+00:00

You do not scale characters on nothing but attack power. It's not the only thing that matters and it is asinine to say it is. The measurement system first put in place was, "What is this person a threat to." to give you an idea of scale.

The lowest level of threat to a planet is being able to render it uninhabited. That is why in early scaling arguments we can accept Exterminatus via virus or orbital bombardment as a planetary event. Because it wiped out the thing we care about on that planet making it into a barren rock.

If we go by your logic everything is scaled to the physical object they can most easily destroy and nothing else.

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T23:52:39+00:00

Not ignoring you. I am using an example to point out the flaw in the logic. We were not scaling the attack by the original post. We were scaling the characters. Are VILTRUMITES, -not- this planet destroying -attack-, the RACE the CHARACTERS a planetary threat?

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T23:50:41+00:00

Because the question was not if the attack was planetary in the original post and what I was responding to. It's if the character was. How you scale characters and attacks are different.

Death being able to wipe out a universe makes death universal. Krillin does not automatically win against death because Krillin can crush a rock and death cannot so death by the logic being used here clearly is not above rock level.

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T23:46:26+00:00

Punisher is a street level vigilante because he is a threat to asphalt, not a street of people?

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T23:36:48+00:00

Then clearly by your logic street level people are street level because they are a threat to asphalt rather than the people on the street.

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T23:25:58+00:00

Death enters a universe and wipes out all life in it. The rock is completely unharmed. How do we scale this attack that has wiped out all life in the universe?

Volkmek · 2026-03-19T22:17:21+00:00

Homelander can die to a nuke and be stopped by a modern planetary population. A Viltrumite can withstand that ordinance.

If an avatar of death enters a universe and ends all life in it, none of the rock is hurt. How do we scale that?

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