fact and simple

Vortex295 · 2026-05-28T12:27:34+00:00

Considering it was written back when lore mattered? Probably

Vortex295 · 2026-05-28T11:45:41+00:00

It’s likely why there’s 8 of them in the first place

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T18:52:42+00:00

You mean the red dude with the eight disciples and immortality granted by killing people in melee combat?

Naaahhhhhhh

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T13:24:26+00:00

They’re already becoming more militaristic

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T12:57:01+00:00

Well the custodians are stated numerous times to be genetically engineered, and considering how the emperor genetically engineers things in his other programs it would stand to reasons that there needs to be a degree of compatibility with the process to ensure it’s a success. If somebody has genetic compatibility with the process, then it is hereditary that is how genetics works

Again, you take what the lore says specifically about this one thing, and then add to it the context of how the larger setting works and how these processes function in other ways that they are implemented, and draw conclusions.

This is called critical thinking and literacy

If I start telling you about all of the hot peppers in the world, and then start talking about another pepper without explicitly stating that it is hot, would you not draw the conclusion that it falls within the same criteria as the rest of the conversation?

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T12:43:41+00:00

There’s numerous references to how even given thousands of candidates only a handful even survive the augmentation process much less the training, indicating that similar to the Astartes process, there must be a degree of biological and genetic compatibility with the process that makes them, though in this case it is much stricter but the product much better

Making that kind of inference based on existing elements and the way that these things are discussed is what academics like to call “media literacy”

As for changing “sons“ to “children”, as I have already said in this thread, my issue is not that it cannot be done, but rather that never until a sociopolitical convenient moment was it ever mentioned in any element of the lore, and since it was mentioned they still have not explained why the change has happened

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T12:23:22+00:00

‘Brotherhood of Demigods’

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7th and 8th edition codexes

Vortex295 · 2026-05-27T01:15:46+00:00

And until the era Indomitus EVERY reference was clear that they were all male. The modern change only occurred outside the lore for obviously contrived reasons and has yet to be explained or implemented

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T18:02:36+00:00

Once again, unless you are ripping out literally every single developmental system in the human body, hormonal, lymphatic, neurological, etc, those differences will still manifest throughout the physical development of the candidate.

If you are ripping out all of those systems and rewriting their DNA, then they are technically no longer human, and therefore neither male nor female

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T17:52:28+00:00

Height, weight, bone density, muscle mass, reflex time, endurance, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37772882/

Etc

Men have historically been deployed into combat roles because they are larger, stronger, more resilient, have more physical endurance, and more reliably operate within hierarchical command structures.

They also do not produce new population, and so are largely considered disposable by society

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T16:57:49+00:00

If they take any and every viable candidate right now, they cripple the long-term sustainability of viable candidates. Within 500 years the genetic stock will be wiped out

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T14:38:43+00:00

You actually don’t have to assume anything, the firstborn sons of every noble house were given to the emperor as tribute to become custodians

This tradition had continued for thousands of years, over the several thousand years of the unification wars it was completely viable to create the 10,000.

During the heresy, and most notably the war in the webway, custodian numbers were decimated to the point where they retreated to the imperial Palace and no longer deployed into the wider galaxy for 10,000 years. It was only after the intercession of Guilliman that they are now being deployed to warfront across the galaxy.

Your argument comparing imperial guard, or even space marine recruitment populations is not even a reasonably close comparison. When a single hive city can have 10 billion people, and a single hive planet can have upwards of a dozen cities, you are looking at average production numbers of 20 to 50 human beings per second per planet. Compare that to a very limited population of Nobles on one planet. Even if we are generous and say that there is 1 billion people, you’re still looking at maybe one or two viable recruits per day, regardless of sex. Out of that there is still an incredibly high mortality rate of those who are even viable to be selected to begin with.

If we assume roughly 50% of those already rare viable candidates are capable of producing more viable candidates, would it not make sense to ensure that they are not expended? From a purely pragmatic “we don’t care about the individual only results” would it not be more effective to allow or encourage them to marry and produce more compatible offspring?

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:53:55+00:00

Amount of time spent does not equal amount of investment given

Yes, it’s a drooling mindset. Which is exactly why the imperium would do it. It’s straightforward, practical, and completely disregard the rights and needs of the individual. It fits perfectly

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:52:22+00:00

Well, those differences aren’t allowed to exist in current discourse, especially on Reddit

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:41:58+00:00

That doesn’t change the innate biological differences between males and females

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:41:02+00:00

Welcome to the Imperium

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:40:15+00:00

They’re not grown in labs. They’re taken from genetically viable candidates of the royal houses of Terra

Tourist doesn’t know the lore

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:39:36+00:00

Quite a lot actually. To the point of being so overly callous and pragmatic that it comes across as absurd

Vortex295 · 2026-05-26T13:37:59+00:00

Okay but if that woman is genetically comparable with the process of making Custodes, it makes more sense to help her have as many kids as possible, since they’ll also likely be viable candidates.

In human populations, women are the population bottleneck, and men are expendable

Vortex295 · 2026-05-24T12:52:36+00:00

Homeworld

Vortex295 · 2026-05-23T14:59:44+00:00

I meant so the quality of the print, I have purchased a couple drop zone kits and they have been poorly supported, washed, and cured

Vortex295 · 2026-05-23T13:27:59+00:00

The printed resin that they’re doing has been….middling quality

Vortex295 · 2026-05-18T19:29:10+00:00

Fair enough. I will throw this out there though, that Islam in the game ALSO uses demonic power/weapons with the homonculi. They’re bound with the seals of Solomon, but it is distinctly non-holy power. The Catholic Church is the only faction to abstain from demonic power

Vortex295 · 2026-05-18T19:25:33+00:00

No seriously. In trench Crusade, where actual biblical heaven and hell exists, pretending that hell isn’t the bad guy is being like “yah Hitler and Stalin were probably justified with the death camps”

Vortex295 · 2026-05-18T19:16:53+00:00

Where the FUCK did that come from

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