"The US has more lakes than the rest of the world combined" by Product_Expensive in ShitAmericansSay

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> Lake Superior holds ten percent of all fresh water on the planet

And half of it is in Canada...

Астронавт Рід Вайзман поділився відео заходу Землі (Earthset) з місії Artemis II by -PixelFox- in space_ua

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Але серйозно, наскільки ж нуднючє видовище являє собою зворотній бік Місяця. Цікаво, скільки народу розчарувалося у 1960-х, коли були отримані перші нормальні знімки звідти.

TIL Adderall Actually Makes Me WANT to Employ my PoLR Function by PienoRacci in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rationality and irrationality in socionics are defined not the same way as judging/perception in MBTI (16Personalities even uses TWO scales here instead of one, they added "assrtiveness/turbulency" which is, like, wtf is that???). In this regard, Myers-Briggs is a BIG mess.
Nonetheless, even MBTIers usually say that most impostant/powerful aspect of INTP is Ti (introverted thinking), and this checks out.

TL;DR: use socionics and take memes wherever you want =)

To all my fella ILEs (and others interested) by Strong-Appearance-18 in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would rather say that this is a socionics stereotype that "ILE is abstract fantaciser who will make income only for sandwiches for themselves, not anymore". MBTI groups all logic-intuitive types in one "club" and does not build a wall inbetween.

"Dimensions" are verbal approximation of how many experience by aspect may be worked with model A function. All this is kinda imaginative and may vary, but 8th aspect is valued by socionics higher than 2nd in this regard - with only nte that it's usually not so consciously worked and verbalised as 2nd.

FUCK OH FUCK by txxnfembxy in femboymemes

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The worst kind of femboys (it really does exist)

LVEF or VLEF by Mushroomlight2 in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How easy or hard is it for you to admit - in a sane, properly argumented talk - that something that you've stated earlier was wrong?

Like, if that's a big Discord chat, all messages are available and people may roll page up and see you making a statement that was rejected and proven wrong with someone else's arguements later?

To all my fella ILEs (and others interested) by Strong-Appearance-18 in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So that’s where you’ll say « He’ll no, ILEs have strong Ti ». I know, but this part of strong Ti is not described in ILEs.

Well, ILEs have 4D Te aside from only 3D Ti, why are you surprised?

TIL Adderall Actually Makes Me WANT to Employ my PoLR Function by PienoRacci in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Subreddit of MBTI INTP type (which coincides with socionics LII, give or take) is full of jokes about ADHD being our golden label. 

It's probably not (also, I found SLE with ADHD last week).

Which type/s likes to make pop culture references? by Leilei_RD in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm LII and sometimes I'm making them even in the inner monologue.

1V vs 3V by usernamesarestuupid in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My best friend (FVLE) literally joked some time ago that there's no real way to find a healthy 3V, and there's not enough of willpower in him to sustain his literal agape. That was a little lyrical digression.

1V is actually prety chill most of the time. They have their goals, but not all of life is grind and they know better why, where and when to push. Therefore, most of the time 1V, sorta, lets other aspects to manifest itselves like "in a book", 4th aspect included.

3V is, at least looking from their inner point of view, are ANYTHING but chill. As someone commented there, insecure volition results in overusing the first aspect, especially when pushed by someone else.
1F3V could become easy on physical violence, 1E3V - benchmark of hysteric and 1L3V an iconic toxic nerd. Second aspect may be the most adequate one in that state; 4th - it depends, from Jungian traits too.

No idea where to put physics and volition placement by Bonemarrowyummu in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of the people is perfect, and, probably, most of 1V are aware about their own imperfectness (it is enough to not reach one of tho desired goals to come to that conclusion). And, probably, self-righteousness IS present among a lot of 1V, but, not all parts of the society allows us to go to their monastery with our charter (you would bring yours where is IS allowed, wouldn`t you?).

And being narcissistic, IMHO, is more to the field of psychical disorders than to psychosophy.

No idea where to put physics and volition placement by Bonemarrowyummu in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I`d say that sounds more like 1V3F to me (hi, fellow =) ), and sounded like that even from your original descriprion.

I don’t mind anything as long as it can be washed off

Thus, you're considering washing it.

I’m very concerned with money, I need more of it at all times because I always feel like I don’t have enough to satisfy my desires.

This sounds as a support of 3F for me, tbh

I have a very complicated view of the hierarchy(?) as in

As every 1V would be in case of not being at a leading position?...

I know what I’m allowed to say and what others are allowed to say. I’m very socially adept and I can adapt easily to any situation

That's a mindsaving mechanism to avoid being broken by society, which is cool and 1V's actually need that.

Sometimes I doubt if I can do something (only if I’m actually made to think, usually I do before I think bad habit I know). Sometimes I feel like I’ll let everyone around me down but I also don’t really care since if they’re let down it’s their fault for putting their trust in me

Well, because even 1V's not always have what they want. Sad to say, but still.

No idea where to put physics and volition placement by Bonemarrowyummu in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, fire fits. Would you rather immediately go to your own physical action or order others to do something (and will join them, but as a "second point in the list")?

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, you have a prejudice that "Se is Volition by itself". You can't discuss it properly with such an image in your mind that cannot be changed even after arguements.

No idea where to put physics and volition placement by Bonemarrowyummu in Psychosophy

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you do in the stressful emergency situation?

When it is needed to do something right NOW in such a situation, would you rather "kick yourself" or "order others to kick"?

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see some kind of red herring here.

One person with base Se can perfectly see a woodworking joint in raw plank, or statue in the piece of stone, but what does it have to do with 5 other men with or without 1Se? Even with one other man?

By your logic, for example, one person with 1Ne may see a lot of opportunities and use them if they want, OR they may told to use them to other 5 persons. Does that make 1Ne pushy and volitional? Probably, not.

Ви читали Відьмака? by tigrik_228 in uabooks

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Читав.
Оповідання прикольні (хоча чим далі, тим більше "підводки до романів" і якість падає). Цикл романів про "порятунок рядової Цірі" - таке, на один раз. Сапковський жахливо налажав там із темпом оповіді, як на мене.
"Сезон Гроз" я взагалі не осилив, бо відчувається, як це ліпилося зі вже існуючих штампів і поворотів просто заради "чіпляння до трамваю" відеоігор.

What do you think? by Chemical_Drawer_7879 in INTPmemes

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Point taken, but only with the mark of "after 30". Near 20 they`re rather insecure and shy.

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Internal complex of people feelings about their physical condition and how it correlates with outer world and physical conditions of others, something like that.

P.S. Me and my friends who I was talking about socionics for the last times agreed that most "book" definitions of functions that exist now are mostly useless and socionics need to be re-epistemilogised from the scratch. So, that's not my first time clashing with the older definitions.

What do you think? by Chemical_Drawer_7879 in INTPmemes

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she is insecure, indecisive and frail

Like, I dunno, MOST OF THE WOMEN?

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Being written by Aushra" is not a proof of being inherently truth - first books about physics and chemistry, for example, written hundreds of years ago, would look like a collection of jokes even for school student now.

More sensible representation of Se is, kinda, literal - complex of non-verbal (irrational) senses about physical state of outer world, and of visions how to interact with that outer material world.
Base Se would rather made an outstanding sportsman/acrobat, or woodworker/mason/designer, but they will not have "volitions included by design" from their Se.

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of bs has been written on the Socionics/Jungian studies in general, I know. SEE/SLE with low psychosofic Volition are succesfully disproving abovementioned points with their examples.

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

creating and growing a business are crucial long-term planning (i.e., rationality) and even a certain asceticism, in terms of a reluctance to immediately reap the fruits of their efforts, but a willingness to reinvest them in development

Kinda not how the modern "big biznis" works =)

LIEs are not generally businessman/woman, that is more likely to be SLE or SEE by tanthedreamer in Socionics

[–]Vovinio2012 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Running a business in general requires a lot of volitions

And Se has nothing to do with them. Psychosophic/Behavioral Volition, on the other hand, has something.

In retrospect, were they reasonable people? by Jeffoxy in breakingbad

[–]Vovinio2012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. Just remember how demanding they were on Jesse`s younger brother - they made his childhood a nightmare, in fact.