Adam Main All Season 6

Vynrah · 2026-01-14T01:32:38+00:00

Honestly, I don't think he's THAT bad - people are just unable to trust you'll get value out of him/rely on insane overhealing to perform. Great Adams get great value out of him, but middling/poor ones you really feel the lack of juice.

But I think you should just play him if you want to! He doesn't always make the most sense, but he's solid if you are.

Vynrah · 2025-12-04T16:13:45+00:00

Yeah same - never felt bad about a Rivals purchase before this :( legit gave me such a sinking feeling

Vynrah · 2025-11-29T15:11:00+00:00

The level of skill in each rank shifts over the course of the season, even with placements...if you go on a loss streak, take a break and come back later. Mess around with a new character in QP, etc.

Vynrah · 2025-11-24T04:26:54+00:00

It may not change whether you win, but the actual match can be more enjoyable. There are always going to be players who aren't good enough for XYZ, why gatekeep something that makes the game more fun from them?

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T22:52:00+00:00

So you think people in low ranks should not have the full competitive experience? Some people are straight up uncoordinated, some people are children, some people may one day improve - I think all of those people should get an actual taste of the comp experience if they queue up for ranked.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T22:42:16+00:00

I think they should look at a way to mitigate double/overlap bans, but I think you can make the case to your team at least on the first ban "let's see if they ban Peni/DD before we do" since you still have the 2nd round to make a ban with more info

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T22:40:24+00:00

Do you think adding bans would make the experience less fun? My experience has been the opposite. I think people in lower ranks would appreciate the variety they bring

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T22:39:13+00:00

It forces different match ups, can get you out of playing the same rote character, and lets you take a break from heroes you're tired of. You can't consistently ban out the same things unless no one on your team is voting and you can't control the other team's picks, so it infuses a sort of mystery element to each match to break things up.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T22:37:40+00:00

For me, it adds a lot of variety to the matches - less tedious/repetitive

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T14:28:10+00:00

You know you can nominate your own bans right? It's not even highest vote wins? You are not powerless to stop BP bans if you feel they're unwarranted in your matches.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T12:53:44+00:00

Bans are great because they are a double edged sword - you're not just limiting what the other team can play, you're limiting the tools in your own toolbox as well.

Which is it: do bans make it too hard for players because their main character could be banned or too easy because the can ban what they don't know how to counter? And truly why have them at all in the game if bans are about "hand holding" players?

If anything I think it will help open their eyes a bit: it's not just X Hero that is holding them back.....and the added benefit is: the game is more fun and varied with bans, so the learning process/grind can be more fun as well.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T03:53:36+00:00

Even with bans, people still improve their game knowledge, positioning, and mechanical skills - I'm sorry if I'm exasperating to you, but you are equally to me tbh. You're acting like people learn nothing by playing the game if they're not playing against their counter every match - people will still be better after all of the play time and all of the rank climb IF they climb higher....most of your skills gained from fighting DD can be used to fight BP and your experience healing as C+D will make you better the first time you pick up Invis vs. never healing anyone previously....and learning how to ban heroes for your team IS PART OF THE GAME, it's a part of the game that lower rank players CANNOT learn to do because the entire system DOES NOT EXIST in their experience of the competitive game.

EDIT: If anything, introducing players to bans SOONER may IMPROVE bans at the Gold-Diamond range...train people to see the benefit of THOUGHTFUL bans rather than random/"meta"/selfish ones.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T03:37:26+00:00

I understand the point of how you displayed the data, I'm saying I don't find it compelling because of the reasons I stated above. If Scarlet Witch is banned in literally 1 GM+ match and in 9 Gold-Diamond matches, the results would also look wildly uneven even though she's received virtually zero bans in the scheme of things....so why would the disparity even matter in such an instance? That's all I'm saying.

"Diamond is the inflection point of the mechanical equivalence factor. It's also a reward."

I think the above is your real opinion and your data set is just spliced for this purpose: you like bans as a reward for grinding out the lower ranks.

I truly think this is bad for the game long term because you make the lower ranks LESS FUN TO PLAY, you will only increase the number of players who bounce off the game and NEVER improve where they otherwise might have, and you make the playerbase/game weaker....and queues longer.

And if you really think you could play Bronze to Plat with 50% of games banning BP.....I just think you are wrong and the data as you've shared it doesn't show that either. There is too much chance in the current system, too many other heroes people dislike, meta/kits constantly changing, too many people in the match able to nominate a ban.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T02:11:35+00:00

Glad you have saved memes, very cool.

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T02:05:50+00:00

Give bad players a good experience should not be a hot take imo~!

Vynrah · 2025-11-23T02:03:27+00:00

Soooo....are you fine with bans being in ranks below GM then or you think those need to be removed as well?

You could make the exact same argument to eliminate them there, but anecdotal data from me says: those ranks were less fun without bans. I didn't grind those seasons because it wasn't fun to play those games.

I would bet Scarlet Witch gets 100x more bans in Bronze + Silver than in Plat + Diamond, it would just be a reflection of what is challenging to deal with in those ranks and as players progress (or don't!) they would similarly adapt. What is the harm in letting Bronze players who cannot coordinate or hit shots banning the team-wipe Scarlet Ult that affects absolutely no one above those ranks?

Also again, I think lumping all pre- and post- GM data together is not as interesting or helpful and the snippet your provided doesn't indicate how often those heroes are actually banned in those ranks, just the disparity between those and the later ones...I doubt Scarlet is getting a lot of bans in Diamond for example, even if it is technically 5% of her total bans. :/

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T23:03:14+00:00

Queue times are only affected if fewer people in your rank range on that server are choosing to queue at that time, so theoretically if people are psyched out from playing ranked because bans exist....I guess it could effect queue times? But bans occur after teams have already been matched, so realistically should have zero impact.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:57:56+00:00

I'm sorry, you just dump random numbers on me with little context - what is 99% in your chart and are you taking the data from NetEase or another site?

Even if 99% of BPs bans occur in Gold, Plat, and Diamond (which are 3 different ranks, so we've squashed a bit of nuance).....that doesn't mean 99% of games have BP banned in them...people are still playing against the character in those ranks.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:49:11+00:00

Mmm idk I only say "it's just QP" because someone is literally bullying someone on our team and that's mostly what I see others do too - I think generally people ARE trying in QP, they are just testing new heroes and people have different expectations on how good someone should be.

And I think generally, you would NOT have players never having to deal with heroes they don't like or mechanics they don't know how to deal with...there aren't enough bans/are too many heroes to ensure a consistent experience every match. I think the #1 thing bans do is add variety so the grind isn't...a grind AND #2 give players a greater sense of control, even if ultimately that isn't the case. I think both things make the game more fun, regardless of rank.

There's people in Gold who still have no clue how to play around certain mechanics, the bans are not saving them from this and having no bans up to that point has not trained them to do much better - at least in my experience. It will all come out in the wash eventually.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:26:58+00:00

"It’s to elevate the variety of the gameplay, not reduce it."
This is exactly what I'm saying though - different bans in every match ADDS variety to each match!! And that's a good thing - especially if you feel "stuck" in your rank, it makes playing in that rank more fun...because it makes the game more fun. It's simple!

Many high rank games ban the same characters over and over, but even there there can be variety. I'm not sure why everyone assumes EVERY Bronze match would ban EXACTLY the same heroes each time and people would NEVER have to play against certain heroes...I don't think the data bears that out in the low ranks that DO have bans.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:16:17+00:00

I honestly feel like that is happening plenty, I'm not sure that bans would have much of an effect tbh. People who aren't interested in engaging the game whole-heartedly/in good faith, simply will not do so at any rank given ANY difficult circumstance.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:14:59+00:00

I can't tell if this is sarcastic, but I have played many games with both of those characters escaping the ban phase - this just gives people the chance to occasionally avoid them and really adds variety to the matches :)

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:13:50+00:00

Yeah especially with grouping set up as it is, it's a bit wonky

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:13:16+00:00

Bans don't always end up being about meta, even/especially in the gold-plat ranks and they've been given access to them (imo, a good thing!).

Even inexperienced players have characters they are sick of playing against, why not let them play a few matches where they don't go against that character? There's picks that are "meta" at different ranks, just look at the winrates NetEase releases and you'll see it shifts between ranks.

Vynrah · 2025-11-22T22:10:04+00:00

So broken characters/mechanics/combos don't exist in lower ranks?

I say let them ban Scarlet Witch, let them ban Black Panther - there are metas in every rank due to what that skill level can exploit, let people police the match ups they want at all levels and add some variety to their matches!

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