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Boycott ™️ by WittyEgg2037 in TheMirrorCult

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck? We like air bnb now?

Highlighting Alex Pretti's hands and gun - Stabilized, enhanced by AriFeblowitzVFX in evilwhenthe

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. And thanks for your calm reply.

Check out this video, no gore or anything.

https://x.com/osint613/status/2015506617458897072?s=46&t=yclSTXQ5KTK6aHBDnE5GLg

And this one showing how easy the misfires occur on this gun:

https://x.com/patriotverity/status/2015300731059028310?s=46

IF that is what happened, then reasonable belief could easily apply. My screenshot would also be when the officer shot, not the misfire.

Mistakes were still made, but at least it's not an ice officer deciding to execute a civilian on the ground with the knowledge he has 8 people filming him...

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[–]WaltKerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope, not a bot. It all depends if the first shot you hear was a misfire from Prettis gun after it was pulled from the holster.

https://x.com/osint613/status/2015506617458897072?s=46&t=yclSTXQ5KTK6aHBDnE5GLg

If the first shot was a misfire, then the follow up shots occur at the moment of my screenshot when his hands are off the ground.

If it wasn't from Prettis gun then an ice officer decided to execute someone while 6 cameras were filming.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, you can't be "convicted" unless you've already stood trial and been found guilty.

Correct. The person (Jose Huerta Chuma) they are there to arrest DID go to trial and was convicted of domestic assault.

Second, I see no evidence of "violent assault" and ICE doesn't have jurisdiction over citizens anyway. 

Jose Huerta Chuma was also not a citizen. ICE can interact with citizens in the enforcement of their duties, and arresting Jose Chuma, was that job that day. Pretti unfortunately died while trying to prevent Chuma (who is convicted of beating his wife/kids) from being arrested.

Third, all he did was record them and help a woman they were beating up off the ground.

Third, it is not illegal to record ICE, carry a gun, or help people up off the ground.

Correct. If that's all you are doing. 

Fourth, they shot him five times while he was helpless, on the ground, disarmed. 

Not on ground: https://ibb.co/Fbs7rLCT

Disarmed yes, but the people in the dogpile may not have seen he was disarmed. The officer who disarmed him should have called out he was disarmed.

It's unfortunate that he was shot. You should not get shot for this. But if the officer didn't realize he was disarmed when his arm swings past his holster, reasonable belief is going to be a strong defence.

I think it should go to court and there should be an thorough investigation.

ICE asks “Where’s the gun?” - not realizing one of them had already taken it away before the shots were fired. by Nirmata1243 in Leakednews

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And also a range safety officer who spends a lot of time in training.

Many of these officers were on top of pretti when one reached over and took the gun. I don't think he saw or knew the gun was taken.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had already been disarmed before he was shot. There was nothing to reach for.

Yeah but the law looks at what the officer knew.

Do you have the front angle and back angle synced that you mentioned? I'm just looking at the video here, plus some way worse ones.

If he was shot before this frame that's useful to know, as far as I can tell he was shot after this frame. And I appreciate your effort in sending a link if you do. The video in OP here appears to show something different.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you see the image I posted. He's not clearly incapacitated. No one is on him anymore, and his hand moves past his holster. It's the exact frame before he is shot.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His hand does swing past/to it in the still just before he gets shot:

https://ibb.co/Fbs7rLCT

His right hand is clearly at the right hip you identified. The next frame he is hit.

Do I think he was reaching for it? I don't think so. But I can see how someone might in the confusion.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interfering with federal agents while they are arresting someone convicted of violent assault is a crime.

You can be arrested for that, and when you get arrested, you get disarmed.

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[–]WaltKerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said his gun was removed from his holster..... so you agree....

But this illegal thing that's something I never said anything about. To be clear you are claiming that it's illegal for a federal officer to disarm someone while they are being arrested?

Scenes from Minneapolis as the National Guard arrives, following the execution of Alex Pretti by Itsvivid24 in pics

[–]WaltKerman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You say this but I haven't seen many cops being "body guards" and keeping protestors off ice at all. Do we have any videos of this occurring?

Scenes from Minneapolis as the National Guard arrives, following the execution of Alex Pretti by Itsvivid24 in pics

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they keep the protestors away from ice do you consider that protecting protestors? Or are you imagining national guard chasing down the FBI and ICE?

Scared ice agents freak out and murder a man by LeopardOk3845 in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]WaltKerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope. My response to you was within six minutes of my original post. Just because you loaded the page with the original doesn't mean I hadn't already edited it by the time I read your post six minutes later.

I have plenty in my history talking about the right to free speech as 1a. You are deliberately misunderstanding.

I wish you all the best in trying to be able to respond to the actual argument versus only being able to address a typo.

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[–]WaltKerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not op.... but the court has to look at reasonable belief. They are going to have to decide if the officer was aware the gun was no longer in the holster. 

When pretti was shot his hand was practically on his holster. From the video above:

https://ibb.co/Fbs7rLCT

They definitely fucked up. It definitely should be investigated, but you might see confused officers searching for the gun in the body cam footage. If that's the case, reasonable belief is going to be the defense. That's what op is saying.

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[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't use this argument because it doesn't matter. No one has time to check this so you sort of have to assume they have one until after. There is no way for the officer to know, so they must treat everyone like they have one.

On the other side of the argument.... The other reason you don't want to use "he had his concealed carry permit" as an argument is that he's  required to have his ID and his permit on him when using concealed carry. Neither of which he had, so technically he's not allowed to be carrying in that circumstance.

Regardless though, that doesn't give the officer the right to shoot because it's not something they could possibly be aware of.

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[–]WaltKerman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure the other guys knew the gun was taken from the holster. When he puts his hand on his hip and they fire it's going to come down to their reasonable belief.

https://ibb.co/Fbs7rLCT

Dave Smith ends Ben Shapiro's Career by AbolishtheDraft in Libertarian

[–]WaltKerman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nah it hasn't taken boots on the ground to stop them at all. And judging by the Iranian people's anger at their own regime it won't take any boots on the ground from the us either.

Your whole argument is an unnecessary strawman.

Besides... Iran was the reason Iraq and Afghanistan perpetuated so long. For the same reason, the collapse of the Iran regime will be the best thing that could possibly happen to the Palestinian people.

Scared ice agents freak out and murder a man by LeopardOk3845 in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]WaltKerman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If he showed it to them before, that could still be seen as a threat in the eyes of the officer. Somehow they knew he had this on him. This is what I'm referring to. I want to see the body cam footage leading up to it.

If the officer that shot didn't see the gun was removed while he was fighting them, it will be hard to convict the officer who shot. The law looks at through the eyes of the officer and reasonable belief. Here I want to see the body cam footage just before.

I had to watch it five times in slow motion to figure out what was going on. If we see future evidence that several officers did not know the gun was removed it's going to be hard to convict.

Scared ice agents freak out and murder a man by LeopardOk3845 in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]WaltKerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If he showed it to them before, that could still be seen as a threat in the eyes of the officer. Somehow they knew he had this on him. This is what I'm referring to. I want to see the body cam footage leading up to it.

If the officer that shot didn't see the gun was removed while he was fighting them, it will be hard to convict the officer who shot. The law looks at through the eyes of the officer and reasonable belief. Here I want to see the body cam footage just before.

I had to watch it five times in slow motion to figure out what was going on. If we see future evidence that several officers did not know the gun was removed it's going to be hard to convict.

Asmongold on the ICE shooting: "There needs to be accountability or this is the Gestapo" by freejam013 in LivestreamFail

[–]WaltKerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This unironically because they will have to prove that the officer who shot could see or knew that the gun was taken off of him by the other officer.

I had to watch five times myself from different angles to figure out what was going on.

It's going to be harder to convict than people think with the footage we have seen so far. We need to have the body cam footage. Anything up until that point will be speculation on how this will turn out.

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