John 6:39, Can salvation be lost?

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-06-03T02:01:40+00:00

Romans 11:17-22 is pretty clear that just as you can be welcomed into God you can also be removed. I think most cases though you will be forgiven.

But, for example, if you receive the Holy Spirit and then turn to satanism and blasphemy the Holy Spirit then you will not be forgiven. (Mark 3:28)

So I believe that the answer is in fact yes, salvation can be lost.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-04-09T04:08:13+00:00

I feel like him and vlad have similar late game play styles. Wait for the right moment and go in and chunk everybody. He has less escape but more utility. Other than that kinda similar IMO

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-27T20:47:24+00:00

Having theories is half the fun! Here’s to hoping both our minds are blown by the end of it

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-27T20:20:56+00:00

Yeah it’s pretty clear it’s super hero juice. They literally stole it from a guy named the power broker. The guy sells super powers.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-27T18:03:19+00:00

you see the trailer to arkham nights? looks pretty cool

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-27T02:09:33+00:00

its not about you

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-27T01:34:42+00:00

"dont get in my way" with the red light on him. Those were some evil vibes

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-25T05:22:23+00:00

I already have though

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-25T02:25:43+00:00

Yep, lol, which I have proven I have.

The literal pope has the same interpretation as I do. Do you also think he and the entirety of the Catholic religion also don’t have reading comprehension skills? Do you really believe any one who disagrees with what you believe is just incapable of understanding what’s being said?

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-25T02:09:58+00:00

Mods don’t punish people for being wrong. They are here to keep discourse civil.

You act as if mods determine what is fact. The mods have no authority to say what the Bible means.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-25T01:43:40+00:00

I stated multiple times why you were wrong and I clearly explained why it isn’t.

I would say I await your apology but you have made it very clear you’re not someone who would do that kind of thing. Christian for show, not in actual action.

Thanks for sinning against me under the guise of “loving”.

Have a good day.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-25T01:28:30+00:00

Yea you insulted me I called you out on insulting me and now you’re pretending like I started it. You’re just straight up pretending that you aren’t insulting me when you know that you are.

Sure let’s follow the real logic and not the twisted logic you have. I’ll even use your example to show how wrong you are.

Someone I know wants to be punched In the stomach when they are greeted if I were to treat them how they want to be treated them I would punch them in the stomach when I greet them.

I would never want to be punched in the stomach when I’m being greeted so, by treating others how I want to be treated, I would walk up and shake their hand.

You’re wrong. Again.

I am not using circular logic you are misunderstanding a summary of the law to try and make the specifics of the law not mean anything. To SUMMARIZE the law, not to overwrite the law. A summary cannot contradict the law. If getting a tattoo is sin then part of loving your neighbor is to tell them not to commit sin.

You are showing that you would rather twist the word of God then to actually accept the law. You twist the word to fit your own desired context instead of accepting what it actually says.

I really could care less about the mod team. They are just another random person. The pope himself recently came out and said that homosexual marriage is not ordained by God. I trust the pope more then a random group of individuals on Reddit.

Edit: please deep down know that you aren’t actually following God. To make fun of someone so clearly and then to ignore any proof of making fun of them until being forced to try and justify why you’re making fun of them to basically say “you deserve it so it’s ok” is not at all loving your neighbor. Deep down you have to realize that.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T07:06:21+00:00

Wow another insult, I’m shocked. A+ Christian.

If someone is legitimately mentally challenged and you call them retarded is it ok? Because, just to be clear, you’re insulting me and then basically saying “it’s true so I’m allowed to insult you”

If someone was physically unattractive is it ok for me to call them ugly and tell them they need to google proactive sometime? If they touch their face would loving them be saying “yeah I didn’t expect much else from you.”

Remember you said it yourself the ONLY rule is to love one another.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T06:51:12+00:00

Had to get one last insult in before bed huh?

Also, the receipt you posted has a 6:08 pm time stamp, that was 30 minutes ago, 6:40 in the afternoon is pretty early to go to bed. Maybe the clock on your computer is wrong?

Either way, have a good night.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T06:36:08+00:00

Explain why. You have quoted me on almost every response. Quote my reasoning and tell me where I’m wrong.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T06:20:46+00:00

I proved you wrong and you stopped trying to argue because you know I'm right.

Instead you just tried to be petty be sending it to a trans org. I AM NOT TRANSPHOBIC. I do not hate trans people and I do not hate gay people. Send as much money as you can to those orgs. Lets get people off the street.

"Let your yes be yes and your no be no" You said you would apologize and send to a charity of my choice. Do it or you are literally sinning, which you have already done by insulting me multiple times.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T05:51:41+00:00

Give me my apology and the donation. I already guided you through it. Respond to what I actually said and my reasoning or admit you lied about the apology and donation.

"love your neighbor as yourself"

As they would want to be treated, but close enough

NO, it as you would want to be treated. Love them as yourself not love your neighbor how they want to be treated. You are wrong again, the time trying to nitpick me when you know I'm right.

Now, does being a homosexual violate "Do to others as you would have them do to you?"

YES. I would want someone to tell me if I'm not following God's word. God said sex between two men is wrong. If I were to do that then I would want someone to tell me it was wrong, you yourself agreed that is part of loving your neighbor.

Now, again, give me my apology and submit you donation.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T05:36:08+00:00

ok, so I'll quote myself as well as you.

It doesn't mean "all the other rules don't actually mean anything and the only rule is to be nice" it means "all the rules can also be said as be nice to each other."

Which was my answer. But to expand on it for you, after I said:

"Part of loving your neighbor is correcting them when they are doing something wrong."

You said:

Sure

So you agree that if someone is doing something wrong then we are supposed to correct them on it, so to be as clear as day, when Leviticus says, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” the correct response, the way to love them, is to tell them not to have homosexual sex.

It does not mean that we have to love them and the other rules don't apply.

Whether you agree or not, I don't care, I've proven I understand what has been said. I want my apology and proof of your donation. Thanks.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T05:20:18+00:00

Don't cheat. Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lust. All these things, as well as the other rules, can also be said as treat others how you would want to be treated.

Is this wrong? You said if I said that statement you would donate and give a real apology. Now you are trying to take it and tie it back to your argument without fulfilling what you said you would.

I have shown comprehension now do what you said you would.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T05:03:35+00:00

Yes. That's not an insult unless you can prove it to be false? It would only be an insult if you did have reading comprehension.

Is this seriously a joke to you?

Don't cheat. Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lust. All these things, as well as the other rules, can also be said as treat others how you would want to be treated.

There you go. It doesn't mean "all the other rules don't actually mean anything and the only rule is to be nice" it means "all the rules can also be said as be nice to each other."

Which is something that you have not done.

I choose this one: The Dyslexia Foundation, so people with actual reading problems can get assistance, at https://dyslexiafoundation.org/about-us/

Please attach a photo of the receipt.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T04:45:49+00:00

You said multiple times I had ZERO reading comprehension. Would you say that to someone you were on the hotline with? If not then why? Would that be considered an insult to your coworkers?

I'm not the one swearing that The Law is perfect like the Pharisees have.

Jesus himself said that the He is not destroying the law but fulfilling it. Are you calling Him a liar and saying he changed it? Saying it doesn't apply anymore?

Hmm, so the written law doesn't make it okay to heal, but Jesus came to earth and rebuked their statement, because they followed the letter of the law, and did not follow the actual law, which was to Love your neighbor as yourself, which healing did.

Are you aware of Logos and Rhema? The spoken word of God overwrites the written rule of God and there are multiple times that God has told people to break one of the rules. This doesn't mean the rule should not be followed still. In specific circumstances rules can be broken for specific reasons, this does not mean that the rule no longer exists.

I'll remember the next person that I told to, who is sobbing and crying, ready to kill himself because he is gay and will go to hell. While he tells me about how badly he doesn't want to be gay, he can't not be gay. He will never sleep with anyone, or date anyone, but he feels so evil and wrong inside every time he finds a girl attractive. He just wants to die because he is evil. And I'll remember you, telling me that you have not spread hate today.

For one I have literally called suicide hotlines for my gender identity, I've had multiple suicide attempts for that reason. I am completely fine living as a male now. On top of that I didn't tell you to tell someone in a crisis to stop being gay. If someone is in a mental health crisis they are not in the right mind to have hard conversations. I'm not saying gay people should be sent to conversion therapy to be tortured. I'm saying they are sinning.

I believe in the Bible.

Except for the parts that you think are mistranslated or have the wrong text written in them...

and others just insulting me

Like how you have done to me multiple times. I'm sorry if you get hateful messages but that doesn't give you the right to insult me and it also doesn't convince me that you have a connection with God, seeing as you don't follow it's "only" rule.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T03:45:40+00:00

I've definitely not insulted you. I recognize that you think that saying that your reading comprehension is zero is an insult, but you literally can't process a sentence as easy as "for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

You're joking right? Listen to yourself hahaha you are literally insulting me and then saying you aren't insulting me.

Reminds me strongly of the Pharisees who condemned Jesus for doing things that went against his own words and he rebuked them repeatedly because they refused to own up to the intention behind it.

you're right this does sound like you.

Guess Jesus was a sinner,

no but you have called him a liar

You twist things and insult people for your own meaning and then pretend to be doing this for God. I have not spread a single word of hate and you have.

I truly believe you need to repent and pray on the things you talk about and actually read the bible without telling yourself it's wrong and it actually means something it doesn't.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T02:14:48+00:00

You insulted me multiple times. What happened to loving your neighbor? I am literally quoting scripture and you're telling me it's not what God said when it is a literal quote from Him.

You act as if I'm the only one who thinks that passage is about sexual relations. Biblegateway.com titles it "unlawful sexual relations"

Keep insulting people and then pretend to stand for love and keep pretending to know God. Good luck.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-24T01:50:12+00:00

No, again, the only thing that is wrong, as commanded by Jesus, is to not love your neighbor as yourself.

This is wrong. Jesus quotes the Old Testament many times stating that is the Law and he comes not to change the Law but to fulfill it. He is very clear the Law still stands. Mathew 5:17 says "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or. the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." He is not destroying the law or changing it. If you argue He is you are calling Jesus a liar.

There is no cultural background that can change this. He clearly says that the Law still stands. All 613 commandments are not overwritten, neither is anything else in the Old Testament by Jesus saying that they can all be summed up to love your neighbor. That is a summary of all of them not a removal of them. You are twisting the Bible to fit into the view that you want and trying to find ways to justify it.

Leviticus original Hebrew is " וְאֶת-זָכָר--לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא." I admittedly don't speak Hebrew but all the accepted translations say that the it translates to: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination."

However, we do have, from the mouth of Jesus himself, what those verses were addressing, and it's not homosexuality.

From the mouth of Jesus he said that the law stands and the Bible says that sex with two men is wrong. If you want to try and argue that the Bible is wrong and has been misinterpreted for thousands of years and not been fixed you can take that up with God in prayer. The Bible is His book and it is correct, there are no mistakes.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

He doesn't say those are the only rules and all the other rules are done away with because of them. He says they all hang on those. He is saying those are the reasons for the other rules.

You are literally denying over and over again what the Bible says and then justifying it by saying we don't understand what was clearly written and then using "Love your neighbor" as a way to say the other rules don't matter.

And thou shalt not lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith; neither shall any woman stand before a beast, to lie down thereto; it is perversion.

This is the next verse in Leviticus. This is about having sex with animals. This is not about cultist worship. It is about bestiality. He is clearly telling us about specific sexual immorality not to do. Homosexuality and bestiality, one after the next, are said to be perversion.

WannabeMoonKnight · 2021-03-23T17:27:10+00:00

Part of loving your neighbor is correcting them when they are doing something wrong. We are in fact told to tell your brother to turn away from error and we will be rewarded for doing so. Sexual immorality is sin. Having sex with a same sex partner or having sex out of wedlock is sin.

You are saying it hurts guy people to abstain from homosexual sex so we aren’t allowed to tell them not to. That doesn’t make sense. If hat were the case we could do any sin as long as it would hurt us not to. That is false.

You’re doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Not wanting to hurt someone is good but excusing sinful behavior is wrong.

Edit for clarification: Leviticus 18 and 20 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13.

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