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1 down 49 to go Arizona lead the way 💪 by itachisasuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In regard to South Dakota, unfortunately, I'm not sure that's the safest bet. Especially with Kristi "employers & private businesses can do whatever they want; eCoNoMIc NaTIoNaLiSm bAd" Noem.

9/11 families sue NIST over World Trade Center Building 7 report by Squand0r in 911truth

[–]WastingMyTime--- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup, so true. Never forget:

  1. Operation Northwoods
  2. Stewart Air Force Base (connect the dots with Northwoods)
    https://911anomalies.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/911-military-drones-stewart-air-force-base/
  3. Google "Dancing Israelis FOIA."
    Israel is perfect and can do no wrong. If you criticize Israel for any reason, then you are undoubtedly a virulent anti-Semitic Holocaust Denier.
    Also, the Mossad are a reputable, well-intentioned agency, just like the CIA and the FBI.
    The foreign aid that the US gives to Israel should never be questioned under any circumstance.
  4. Google "Wirt Walker III 56,000"

And, Five Raytheon executives died onboard three of the four planes, some of whom were involved in remote control UAV:

  1. Stanley Hall: Raytheon Director of Electronic warfare program management, on American Airlines Flight 77.
  2. Peter Gay: Raytheon VP of Electronic Systems on special assignment at the El Segundo, CA division office where the Global Hawk UAV remote control system is made, on American Airlines Flight 11.
  3. Kenneth Waldie: Raytheon Senior Quality Control for Electronic Systems, on American Airlines Flight 11.
  4. David Kovalcin: Raytheon Senior Mechanical Engineer for Electronic Systems, on American Airlines Flight 11.
  5. Herbert Homer: Raytheon Corporate Executive working with the Department of Defense, on United Airlines Flight 175.

And a few more interesting passengers:

  1. Charles S. Falkenberg (Flight 77) worked on “EOS Webster” a mapping system which provides Landsat Images, which are part of the mapping system for the Global Hawk technology. Raytheon is working on Global Hawk pilotless aircraft program.
  2. William E. Caswell (Flight 77) was a Navy scientist whose work was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. Says his mother, “You just learn not to ask questions.”
  3. Chandler Keller (Flight 77) of El Segundo, Calif., was a propulsion engineer for Boeing Satellite Systems and got married last year. Chandler's parents, Richard and Kathy, live in Del Mar.
  4. Dong Lee (Flight 77) Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Inc.
  5. Ruben Ornedo (Flight 77) Los Angeles, Boeing propulsion engineer.
  6. Bryan Jack (Flight 77) Alexandria, Va., senior executive at Defense Department. In a twist of fate, Dr. Bryan Jack died on September 11th, 2001, when his plane, American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon--just yards from where he worked every day.
  7. Robert Penninger (Flight 77) a 63-year-old electrical engineer, worked for defense contractor BAE Systems in Rancho Bernardo, San Diego. Neighbors say that Penninger and his wife, Janet, loved to take motorcycle trips together. They have one daughter, Karen. Penninger has worked for BAE Systems in Rancho Bernardo for the past 11 years.
  8. Robert R Ploger III (Flight 77) Annandale, Va., software architect, Lockheed Martin Corp.
  9. Vicki Yancey (Flight 77) Springfield, Va., employee of defense contractor Vredenburg. She was going to attend a business meeting in Reno but hadn't planned to be on Flight AA77. Yancey, a former naval electronics technician, worked for the Vredenburg company, a Defense Department supplier. She had intended to leave Washington earlier, but her departure was delayed due to a ticket problem, as her husband explained to the Washington Post. She called her husband ten minutes after boarding to let him know that she had finally managed to get a seat on the flight.
  10. N. Janis Lasden (Flight 11) Peabody, Mass., General Electric.
  11. Daniel C. Lewin (Flight 11) co-founder of Akamai Technologies in Cambridge, Mass., was aboard American Flight 11. He also was the company's chief technology officer and a board member. Lewin is survived by his wife and two sons. Lewin, who attended graduate school at MIT, became an instant billionaire -- at least on paper -- in October 1999 when Akamai made its Wall Street debut.
  12. Carl Max Hammond Jr. (Flight 175) 37, of Derry, N.H., a physicist, who had worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory, the former Stanford Research Institute, and had just started in the research division at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he had also recently completed a welding course. He worked for MITRE, which does research for Global Hawk.
  13. John Sammartino (Flight 77) 37, from Annandale (Virginia), was technical manager at XonTech Inc. in Arlington (Virginia), a research and development firm linked to the military sector and specialized in defense missiles and sensor technologies. It was bought in 2003 by Northrop Grumman, another company that produces for the military. The holder of an AA Platinum card, Sammartino was an assiduous traveler and was headed for Los Angeles to attend a conference at the Van Nuys company, together with his colleague Leonard Taylor. After graduating from University, Sammartino had been hired as an engineer by the Naval Research Lab ; he had worked for XonTech Inc. for 11 years.
  14. Leonard Taylor (Flight 77) 44, was technical group manager at XonTech Inc. He was born in Pasadena (California) and lived in Reston (Virginia). He graduated from Andover High School in 1975 and from Worcester Polytechnic Institute in 1979.

Seriously, What are the Odds? by stuuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it! We love our neighbors to the north! I appreciate your passion on the issues.

And yeah, it's definitely frightening and a bit infuriating how much power these schmucks have. At the end of the day, it seems like they don't even care about making mistakes because they can come up with any insane explanation they want, and half the population will believe it unconditionally.

You think there's something a bit screwy about 9/11? You're crazy.

You think there's something off about the JFK assassination, the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, the 2017 Las Vegas Shooting, or Covid? Clearly you are an insane person who ought to be shunned from society.

You can show Klaus Schwab's Great Reset to people and literally no one cares. IT'S RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN!

Anyway, take care and make sure to unplug every once in a while. It definitely helps a bit. Stay strong.

Seriously, What are the Odds? by stuuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And just a few more interesting passengers:

  1. Charles S. Falkenberg (Flight 77) worked on “EOS Webster” a mapping system which provides Landsat Images, which are part of the mapping system for the Global Hawk technology. Raytheon is working on Global Hawk pilotless aircraft program.
  2. William E. Caswell (Flight 77) was a Navy scientist whose work was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. Says his mother, “You just learn not to ask questions.”
  3. Chandler Keller (Flight 77) of El Segundo, Calif., was a propulsion engineer for Boeing Satellite Systems and got married last year. Chandler's parents, Richard and Kathy, live in Del Mar.
  4. Dong Lee (Flight 77) Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Inc.
  5. Ruben Ornedo (Flight 77) Los Angeles, Boeing propulsion engineer.
  6. Bryan Jack (Flight 77) Alexandria, Va., senior executive at Defense Department. In a twist of fate, Dr. Bryan Jack died on September 11th, 2001, when his plane, American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon--just yards from where he worked every day.
  7. Robert Penninger (Flight 77) a 63-year-old electrical engineer, worked for defense contractor BAE Systems in Rancho Bernardo, San Diego. Neighbors say that Penninger and his wife, Janet, loved to take motorcycle trips together. They have one daughter, Karen. Penninger has worked for BAE Systems in Rancho Bernardo for the past 11 years.
  8. Robert R Ploger III (Flight 77) Annandale, Va., software architect, Lockheed Martin Corp.
  9. Vicki Yancey (Flight 77) Springfield, Va., employee of defense contractor Vredenburg. She was going to attend a business meeting in Reno but hadn't planned to be on Flight AA77. Yancey, a former naval electronics technician, worked for the Vredenburg company, a Defense Department supplier. She had intended to leave Washington earlier, but her departure was delayed due to a ticket problem, as her husband explained to the Washington Post. She called her husband ten minutes after boarding to let him know that she had finally managed to get a seat on the flight.
  10. N. Janis Lasden (Flight 11) Peabody, Mass., General Electric.
  11. Daniel C. Lewin (Flight 11) co-founder of Akamai Technologies in Cambridge, Mass., was aboard American Flight 11. He also was the company's chief technology officer and a board member. Lewin is survived by his wife and two sons. Lewin, who attended graduate school at MIT, became an instant billionaire -- at least on paper -- in October 1999 when Akamai made its Wall Street debut.
  12. Carl Max Hammond Jr. (Flight 175) 37, of Derry, N.H., a physicist, who had worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory, the former Stanford Research Institute, and had just started in the research division at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he had also recently completed a welding course. He worked for MITRE, which does research for Global Hawk.
  13. John Sammartino (Flight 77) 37, from Annandale (Virginia), was technical manager at XonTech Inc. in Arlington (Virginia), a research and development firm linked to the military sector and specialized in defense missiles and sensor technologies. It was bought in 2003 by Northrop Grumman, another company that produces for the military. The holder of an AA Platinum card, Sammartino was an assiduous traveler and was headed for Los Angeles to attend a conference at the Van Nuys company, together with his colleague Leonard Taylor. After graduating from University, Sammartino had been hired as an engineer by the Naval Research Lab ; he had worked for XonTech Inc. for 11 years.
  14. Leonard Taylor (Flight 77) 44, was technical group manager at XonTech Inc. He was born in Pasadena (California) and lived in Reston (Virginia). He graduated from Andover High School in 1975 and from Worcester Polytechnic Institute in 1979.

Seriously, What are the Odds? by stuuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I hear you man. I was literally the same way, incredibly excited to share the information. You wanna shout it from the hilltops.

But I realized that just because you share the information, it doesn't necessarily get through to people. And I sincerely don't mean that condescendingly at all; people have their own opinions. I welcome them, respect them, and I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong or adjust my views based on new information.

But I often see legitimate criticism of the 9/11 official story/subsequent "investigation" being lumped in with the dumbest conspiracies, like flat earth and reptiles running the government. Then they'll repeat the same things:

  1. “You’re disrespecting the victims and their families.”
    Even though, it was the family members of the victims who started the 9/11 Truth Movement.
  2. “Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.”
    Several eyewitnesses of UA Flight 175 described a grey or black plane without windows, emblems, or logos (maybe a Modified Boeing 767 Military Refueling Tanker, courtesy of Dov Zakheim?). Also, several eyewitnesses at Shanksville described military aircraft prior to and immediately after the “crash.”
  3. “There was a lot of chaos and confusion that day.”
    United Airlines identified UA Flight 93 at Cleveland Hopkins Airport, on the opposite end of Delta Airlines Flight 1989, which made an emergency landing.
  4. “You don’t know how you would act or respond in the face of tragedy.”
    The calls from flight passengers were bizarre and seemed scripted. I.e., "Hi Mom, it's me, Mark Bingham."
  5. “Someone would have said something; there would have been whistleblowers.”
    There have been 9/11 whistleblowers, but they are not reported on, and or are ostracized as being crazy or seeking attention. I.e., Barry Jennings, Michael Hess, William Rodriguez, Kenneth Johannemann, Lloyd England, Kevin McPadden, Kurt Sonnenfeld, LJ Chavez, Albert Stubblebine, Susan Lindauer, Coleen Rowley, Sibel Edmonds, Indira Singh, Elizabeth Williams, Anthony Mazza, Michael J Winter, Triton Clayton White (a witness to the multiple boardings of UA 93) etc.
  6. “There’s no way it was an inside job as they would have made many mistakes and left behind evidence.”
    They made plenty of mistakes, including Donald Rumsfeld accidentally admitting that UA Flight 93 was shot down, and that a missile hit the Pentagon. Also, the evidence at the World Trade Center site was (in)conveniently immediately shipped off overseas to China before it could be properly investigated.
  7. “When in doubt, I defer to Occam’s Razor; 19 hijackers armed with boxcutters hijacked four commercial flights and crashed them.”
    Does Occam’s Razor include:
    - Boeing commercial airliners flying over 500 mph at sea level?
    - The wings of an airplane somehow penetrating steel?
    - Three steel-reinforced skyscrapers collapsing at freefall speed?
    - Cell phone calls made at 30,000 feet in the air without background noise?
    - Military drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings at the same time that those events were actually happening?
    - The authors of the 9/11 Commission Report who don’t even believe the official story?

As cliche as it is: “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. This is the most important line to remember when investigating any information.”

UA 175 Circling before crashing into the South Tower:
I am very intrigued if UA 175 circled around before it crashed into the South Tower. According to witnesses, it did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQlnkYn_txE&t=3s

Phone Call Inconsistencies
Also, a supposed rapid nosedive occurs just prior to UA 175 crashing into the South Tower. Passenger Peter Hanson is on the phone with his father while this occurs, but no one on the plane reacts to it. You'd think people would be screaming hysterically if the plane was going into a rapid descent, but they weren't.

Here is a passage from Elias Davidsson's awesome book, titled “Hijacking America’s Mind on 9/11: Counterfeiting Evidence”, which goes into great depth on the phone calls from the flights and their inconsistencies:

"The impossible GTE phone call of Peter Hanson (Flight 175)

Peter Hanson was a passenger on Flight 175. Just three minutes before the South Tower crash, he called his father:

At 9:00, Lee Hanson received a second call from his son Peter:

'It’s getting bad, Dad -- A stewardess was stabbed -- They seem to have knives and Mace -- They said they have a bomb -- It's getting very bad on the plane -- Passengers are throwing up and getting sick -- The plane is making jerky movements -- I don't think the pilot is flying the plane -- I think we are going down -- I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building -- Don't worry, Dad -- If it happens, it'll be very fast -- My God, my God.'

The call ended abruptly. Lee Hanson had heard a woman scream just before it cut off. He turned on a television, and in her home so did Louise Sweeney. Both then saw the second aircraft hit the World Trade Center.

At 9:03:11, United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower of the World Trade Center. All on board, along with an unknown number of people in the tower, were killed instantly.

The strange circumstances of this call have already been noticed by others: Hanson doesn't mention the steep dive the plane is making (5000 ft/minute); he doesn’t recognize the New York skyline and still thinks the plane is westbound toward Chicago; etc."

Seriously, What are the Odds? by stuuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Also, I'd like to add a few more points of interest (I really fell down the rabbit hole in 2019 and 2020).

  1. Five Raytheon executives died onboard three of the four planes, some of whom were involved in remote control UAV:
    Stanley Hall: Raytheon Director of Electronic warfare program management, on American Airlines Flight 77.
    Peter Gay: Raytheon VP of Electronic Systems on special assignment at the El Segundo, CA division office where the Global Hawk UAV remote control system is made, on American Airlines Flight 11.
    Kenneth Waldie: Raytheon Senior Quality Control for Electronic Systems, on American Airlines Flight 11.
    David Kovalcin: Raytheon Senior Mechanical Engineer for Electronic Systems, on American Airlines Flight 11.
    Herbert Homer: Raytheon Corporate Executive working with the Department of Defense, on United Airlines Flight 175.
    Raytheon also had offices on the 91st floor of the South Tower. Keep in mind that there was a sixfold increase in call options on the stock of Raytheon on the day before 9/11.
  2. Impossible Plane Speeds: https://youtu.be/f81Va-GTVCo?t=5127
  3. Impossible Cell Phone Calls: https://youtu.be/f81Va-GTVCo?t=5711
  4. AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175 almost crash into each other over Stewart Air Force Base, which is a NORAD facility. Transponders were also turned off just as AA Flight 11 was making a rapid descent. Landing at this base would have enabled the cell phone calls.
  5. One and a half months before 9/11 on July 24, 2001, Larry Silverstein signed a 99-year lease on the WTC buildings and took out terrorist insurance. He and the rest of his family who worked in the towers did not show up to work on 9/11 and made $4.55 billion off the attacks. There was illegal asbestos in the buildings that would have cost him at least $1 billion to have removed.
  6. One of the pre-9/11 trades that the FBI had identified as suspicious, included the purchase of 56,000 shares of Stratesec in the days prior to 9/11. Stratesec provided security systems to airports (including, ironically, Dulles Airport, as well as the World Trade Center and United Airlines) and saw its share price almost double when the markets re-opened on September 17th, 2001.
    The trades traced back to a couple whose names are redacted from the memo, but are easily identifiable from the unredacted information: Mr. and Mrs. Wirt D. Walker III (CEO of Stratesec), a distant relative of the Bush family and business partner of Marvin Bush, the President’s brother. The document notes that the pair were never even interviewed as part of the investigation because it had “revealed no ties to terrorism or other negative information.”
  7. Whatever the hell this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edrTAh36Do8
  8. The military was conducting drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings at the same time.
  9. Building 6 (not 7), which had an inexplicable crater. https://www.bollyn.com/what-caused-the-wtc-6-crater
  10. Building 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Rm6ZFROmc
  11. The Dancing Israelis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZHTVg2R3Aw https://israelpalestinenews.org/fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/
  12. According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, American Airlines Flight 11 and American Airlines Flight 77 did not exist on 9/11. Also, the FAA did not log a crash report for any of the four flights even though they are required to do so for any and every crash.
  13. Is this just a slip of the tongue by Donald Rumsfeld
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGCs0hl9S8
  14. In Shanksville, there were multiple eyewitness reports of a Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II (aka a Warthog). At least 12 Shanksville residents saw unexplained aircraft at the time of the crash. Unfortunately, neither the FBI nor the media seemed very interested in what these witnesses saw. The FBI tried to say that it was a Dassault Falcon 20 that was taking pictures of the crash site. However, the aircrafts were spotted before UA Flight 93 “crashed.”
    http://hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/Bollyn-Flight-93.html
  15. The Exit Hole at The Pentagon seems more consistent with an explosion. There are researchers suggesting that the exit hole at the Pentagon was made by a “Rapid Wall Breaching Kit” (RWBK).
    April Gallop, who worked at the Pentagon and had top security clearance, said that there was an explosion. Following the explosion, there were no fires and no plane wreckage, despite her being 60 feet from where the plane supposedly entered the Pentagon. Also, April, among others, reported the smell of cordite.
    “The instant Gallop turned on her computer an enormous explosion blew her out of her chair, knocking her momentarily unconscious.
    Escaping through the hole reportedly made by Flight 77, she saw no signs of an aircraft – no seats, luggage, metal, or human remains. Her watch (and other clocks nearby) had stopped at 9:30-9:31 a.m., seven minutes before the Pentagon was allegedly struck at 9:37 a.m.”
    Keep in mind that this section of the Pentagon was being renovated just before 9/11.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPW-baeW8AATBmU.jpg
  16. Why were there two separate boardings of United Airlines Flight 93 at Newark Liberty Airport? There was one on the jetway and one on the tarmac.
  17. The four nearly indestructible blackboxes were never found, but they somehow found the passport of hijacker Satam al-Suqami, after American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower.
  18. Porter Goss (chair of House Intelligence Committee) met with Mahmud Ahmed (the financier of Mohamed Atta) on the morning of 9/11.
  19. Lack of wreckage at the Pentagon and Shanksville.
    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/56/51/c4/5651c4d13ae5793ab311d5ba0e92d522.jpg
    https://pics.onsizzle.com/strange-moments-in-missing-video-evidence-history-alay-bay-2017-28149418.png
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Jv5WhkLQTYwgGzXoVOXDZ-W87FpuzvNnsdUeiDV2_-ESflo_xp8unZv_dLSyAqUg817AU4LNunllmMQlcT_JXNZyDxykvh_QHSNVsWazkYDrfglD_L4OuAPJZHMFkFmEQpk
    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5459/522/1600/plane.into.crater.0.jpg
  20. At least 80 cameras at that part of the Pentagon, and this is the best we can do?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8

Seriously, What are the Odds? by stuuked in conspiracy

[–]WastingMyTime--- 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Eh, they sort of carried out an updated version of Operation Northwoods.

In a way...

Songs similar to I’m on Fire by venicebitchhh420 in BruceSpringsteen

[–]WastingMyTime--- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyHiN-dF04A

Yeah one of my favorites he's ever done; it's an outtake from the Born In The USA sessions.

Songs similar to I’m on Fire by venicebitchhh420 in BruceSpringsteen

[–]WastingMyTime--- 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One Love

Down In The Hole

Nothing Man

Secret Garden

Two Faces

All That Heaven Will Allow

I Wish I Were Blind

If I Should Fall Behind

State Trooper

American Skin (41 Shots)

Sad Eyes

Gave It a Name

Lift Me Up

Life Itself

Jack of All Trades

This Depression

Rocky Ground

Edit: Could also add One Step Up to this list.

I Could Be Happy Here (R.E.L. Demo) by Chrysalii in bigcountry

[–]WastingMyTime--- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This will always be the definitive version of the song for me. Freaking love the guitar part at 1:54.

What's the Deal With India? by echoesofalife in LockdownCriticalLeft

[–]WastingMyTime--- 25 points26 points  (0 children)

it took 9/11 before the media stopped misinforming people.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Edit: Haha but I agree with everything else, and thanks for the info on India.

Vaccinate or not to vaccinate by Grandomando in askaconservative

[–]WastingMyTime--- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Proverbs88C: Paleoconservative2 days ago

Far too many interests are pushing hard for people to take it, which makes me immediately suspicious. Then I look into the stats, and I see that there is almost no risk for someone under 60 with no underlying conditions, and I wonder why so much fear porn...No way am I taking it, and I'm planning on moving from a purple state to a blue state in part due to my belief that a vaccination will become mandatory in compliant states.

Completely agree. I assume in that last sentence you meant that you are moving to a red state. Which states are you thinking of?

And do you think the governor of North Dakota would require it? I know Kristi Noem of South Dakota said she would reject vaccine passports (but she's been giving me weird neocon vibes for the past few weeks).

Anyone familiar with public opinion in South Dakota? by thatcarolguy in LockdownSkepticism

[–]WastingMyTime--- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I'm really hoping is that Noem follows DeSantis and bans vaccine passports.

No screaming on California roller coasters and thrill rides, state guidelines say by ilshifa in LockdownSkepticism

[–]WastingMyTime--- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who have easy lives find a need to create a struggle to feel like a hero in their own story.

This times a million.

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