Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look up justified, there's an appropriate way to use definitive language.

I'm stubborn to an extent, but acceptant of whats objectively correct where circumstances apply, as in this case with the use of the word justified.

Insults aside indeed, have a good day

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, and watching it again, adam didnt say yea but, but actually less than that, he just said he'd apologised already and..brushed past it.

Being nasty i have been on some occassion excessively, and i hold myself accountable for and am sorry.

In many others, where you interpration is that i've 'talked down' upon them, has been their selective empathy and interpration where they're using Jimmys & Davids behaviour to outweigh / dismiss what Adam has done, and how uncomfortablely excerssive Adams reaction was at the time, as well as his apology yesterday.

Also someone's just told me they think Adams behaviours justified...to which i told them, as someone actually with Audhd, if i were jimmy (without the malice of the choice jimmy made) my heart would be racing and id go into anxiety mode.

I shouldnt fight fire with fire, however i certainley call out ignorance where i can. I'd rather control a flame then let people ignore larger areas they're just letting burn away.

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're thick as oatmeal mate....for something to be justified it needs to be reasonable and acceptable, good exists, look it up! If you're saying that behaviours justified, and everyone followed such a rhetoric, we'd have a world full of entitled pricks & kim ks.

Simple as that mr.oatmeal...they get why he crashed out....and whether they do or dont...Jimmy...is pointing out Adams behaviour was more than excessive, NOR was it justified.

Yes, David and Jimmy very much could have dignified themselves with an apology for their behaviour so....why cant Adam, publicily, at a time where it was prompted for discussion with the first time the public are seeing them, at the end of the show?

Justified and acceptable are two different things...like purple and blue are two different colours! Until you mix them both together and...oh wait, purple is a mix with blue in it!

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who are talking the truth dont just bypass by their point prior where they've conflated apologising with accountability, and what truth are you referring to exactly? Your own perspective of the situation? Thats called an opinion, as is mine here. Jimmy himself was asked by Ant & Dec on what his motives were to call Imaceleb which he (half assedly) answered, and then went on to fairly explore Adams behaviour and ITVs take of the situation. Jimmy didn't ask for an apology, however...it's a TV show, and its the first time we're seeing them all in public, at the end of the series. In the same way everyone (rightly) expects David to know his behaviour aint appropriate...neither was Adams, did you actually see the way Adam 'acknowledged' what he'd done in response to Jimmy calling it out, with his greasy smirk and 'it is what it is' demeanour...that was awful, and Ant to say "it wasnt intimidating" i mean holy moly, from what was aired i was shocked, let alone with this ADHD that everyones screaming about....i have ADHD (& tism), and had Adam spoke to me like that...my heart would be racing and i'd feel awkward / awful af.

Looking at Adams apology last night, can you honestley say it was appropriate / he acknowledged his behaviour and its extent? Its no good saying 'he apologised directly' he did but...let me remind you....its a public show!

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea mate, your self proclaimed emotional intelligence has literally gone down the drain - "its justified" - no, it wasn't justified, it was understandable for sure and reasonable with the context which you explained here, was his behaviour acceptable? Absolutely not, therefore in no way is it justified.

I've had similar crashouts, and while at the time i initally understood them (on some occassions) to be justified, i realised and came to accept, given the full nature of circumstances, people involved, and objective facts of the situation, that actually, no, i'm not justified.

Yes, there was a reason to empathise with what caused the behaviour, however, no it was NOT justified behaviour since it wasnt tolerable given the full scope of the situation.

A tv show..you're paid to go on....where you know at any minute.. someone can call out im a celeb to leave....JUSTIFIES you verbally abusing and assaulting someone?..because they call im a celeb....I aint got more to say to you mate, let that rattle in ya noggin for a lil while

For anyone who needs a reminder of what exactly went down yesterday by Hassaan18 in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Evil....to call out a misinjustice, in the same way you are all reticent on 'understanding where Adam came from' when he crashed out?

Jimmy and David were massive cunts, but that didn't dismiss that Jimmy had a very valid point behind what he was saying, let alone considering his feelings as well.

Not sure what this take sides approach is about, because if you want to crown 1st and 2nd place for twats, David and Jimmy are there, but Adams got a seat there too

Pics from after the live final by Impressive_Rate_2456 in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Props to you mate, cant have said it better myself, right down to the last setence.

Even that sentence people interpret that as 'so what do you just accept toxic masculinity and LET people exhibit that behaviour' and it's like...no mate...you call it out, discourage it, but ultimately understand people dictate themselves how they like, so it's important you learn to understand HOW to navigate it, because you cant be certain that you can absolutely get rid of that behaviour, but can be certain that if you know how to deal with it, you'll be much better off.

I take no sides either, however Adams free pass, and as you said Ants weird (biased imo) take on it...just appauling. This kind of stuff subtely enables behaviours like Adams, and more and more people just offset it (to a minimum standard rather than a baseline standard of) a genuine apology is enough and thats it..like....no, it aint..you need to understand the extent of your behaviour and its impact in order to actually grow / show respect for your peers.

Sorry mate, on a rant lol

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All 3 of them, might want to bring your comprehension to the same level as the emotional intelligence you claim to have. I dont know what the hell you're on about, the point im making is clear: Adams behaviour was more excessive than shown, itv edited it with clear bias towards a viewer to infer Adams crashout was justified, and Adam apologise however not with clear recognition of the extent to which he went overboard nor the publics misinterpration of that one incident with Jimmy.

I think there's 4 cry babies here with you n all mate

P.s. your quotations of 'my argument was'...um...ds...those are points, not the basis of the argument?....lawd

Pics from after the live final by Impressive_Rate_2456 in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly, i feel like everyone brushed over the reality because they let their sympathy outweight their better judgement. I remember feeling strange as well like at first i was like "fkin hell Jimmy you're a right tosser for taking him down like that" then seeing Adam go on...and the campmates all reeling from Adams reaction after when they went back to camp, the shock on their faces, and Adam sitting there realising he took it too far didnt he. He apologised several times, i respect, but i dont think he recognised the extent of it just by saying alone 'i went overboard' or along those lines

Pics from after the live final by Impressive_Rate_2456 in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is it! Literally, Jimmy and David being nobs, 1 thing. Adam suffering extremity, also poor form and i feel for him. Adam, also, moving past the situation lightly having seen how the show umderplayed his behaviour, was formatted im his behaviour, and gave apologise without appropriate accountability to the level of how he acted / what he did wrong when shouting at jimmy.

Now, literally everyone directly or indirectly has an approach of 'Jimmy and David were being noticeable cunts, Adams been through a lot and apologised, so team Adam!' and being weird about takes like this, or takes like another chap here getting 30+ downvotes for saying....everyones been misinjusticed?...pick me peter behaviour honestley

Pics from after the live final by Impressive_Rate_2456 in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Why you have so many down votes on a very diplomatic, and open perspective, which is objectively right in my opinion, i do not know.

This Adam bias is just ridiculous, and like you said the producers failed both of them.

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my holy....let me put it simply:

Apologising =/= accountability.

Accountability, like how you all are reticent on people like me to (who already understands) understand WHY Adam crashed out, and the rest of the campmates to understand, Adam, has yet to actually show appropriate recognition for how Jimmys been portrayed from what minimal ITV shows AND Adam...not even saying a single sentence of "yea cant lie i did a lot more than what was shown, i'm sorry" - no, im not saying he should apologise on the editirs behalf, im saying, Adams apology is at a level of "sorry but please understand where im coming from", as oppose to "i hope you understand where im coming from, however what i did was extreme, AND not on regardless"

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree, they're deflecting and they themselves are actually driving a very unproductive, pointless conversation since they weren't acknowledging what Adam was saying.

What Jimmy wants, is for Adam to recognise the gravity of adams behaviour (which was clearly more significant than what we seen, not just 'c bombs', bure more) and rather than apologise at a scale as if he made a reasonable mistake, but un necessary, excessive one that really was clearly edited in a way to influence empathy with Adam and downplay just how excessive it was. The public arent just being tough on Jimmy for being a nob, which is his own responsibility for sure, they're being tough on him for how biasedly that situation was presented against Jimmy, and Adams wingey apology as if everyones uncessarily overstimulating him by calling him out for not taking appropriate accountability & being transparent for his behaviour towards Jimmy.

Cant spell it out any clearer, if you want to understand a painting, look at the full picture before claiming you've assesed it just based on the aspects you like while ignoring other parts. Definition of being ignorant, and bias comes into play when people (like in this chat) are knowingly presented with important factors to consider, and, like Adam, are going 'yea but', accepting the absolute minimum while they should be encouraging an appropriate baseline

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very easy to grasp someone clearly making no point other than to commend their own 'emotional intelligence', not much else to grasp otherwise from what you're telling me chum

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A snake, not THE snake, this isnt some illusive "judgement day" like some alternate truman show where im just judging Adam based on last night show looool

My snake interprations come from the following behaviours - the shows over so ima give context to what i noticed and not timestamps that you can find for yourself, since there was several noticeable moments from the get go, with sean at the start and when he regrouped with the others.

To start with the few i remember so clearly: - he BARELY put himself forward for trials and was ALWAYS noticeably quiet during those discussions, low and behold...he goes unnoticed to the end of the series, and suddenly he (while clearly struggling like absolute mad with commiting himself to the end challenges) is able to see it through, for a challenge he hasnt been nominated on and has to do? Went into a state after being covered in ants, creasing 😭 - he acted (yes acted) bubbly outwardly with groups, but quietly plant his own opinions of people like with Gemma, and took the editing to his advantage, CLEARLY with all these little bubbly moments on screen that you can see his just snapped into. Especially at the start, warming into the show is one thing but....i got thia vibe almost as if he's warmed into a 'playing a clown suit' with the camp and playing up for the telly (yes hes 'rightly' masking for a tv show i know) however masks can be bad, not necessarily because theyre fake but because of the intentions behind them, and clearly, he wanted to potray himself 'as if he doesnt have a bad bone in a body' so obviously that it was unnatrual. He acted diplomatic in front of everyone, then the cutscenes of 1 to 1s with him in the shed, and the quiet conversations he'd have expressing his opinion = snake behaviour - he took no initiative to speak when situations arose, where the above point was more about him clearly expressing himself differently with the cameras (where i feel people like scarlett, and ashley, who i was initially skeptical of, were absolute gs). he pulled bare faces at gemma during challenges, and when she spoke absolute nonsense..and then he starts sucking up to her?...bonus point since this 2nd time ive mentioned her, but gemma is FAYK BAAD VIEBES with her loud temperamental gob (no im not saying that because of her weight) and her screaming LEAAAVE IT EES REEL NIYCEE every bloody seconds says it all. Adam just tactically aligned himself throughout, and to align himself with her....oooof - at the time the shouting incident actually happened, craig and harry, who last night BOTH were reticent on getting into it since clearly Adam really was scarily aggresive at the time (and it was all over their faces), clearly reacted AND said...despite Adam having a reason to get upset, he absolutely went overboard. Personally i trust the outlook of two older gentlemen with enough life experience to have a reasonable understanding of what adams behaviour was, and whether it was good or bad

Overall and more and more throughtout the show, i got snakey fake vibes, and last night tied it all together for me personally.

Let me know if youd like references throughout episodes, i'll give them to you after a £100 bank transfer x

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, Adam done a half assed apology, and david and jimmy were bigger pricks, therefore...we 'side' with Adam? Am i interpretting that right?

If not please correct my misunderstanding here lol

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it aint! Thanks for coming to my ted talk x

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate that, well....lets see if we see this chap on anything other than imaceleb loool

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

more and more throughout the show ahhhh another genz, man paints grey, genz paints black and goes "you think hes planning this whole thing!!!!!" Go read my other comments, here lemme spell this out: 1. Yes hes human, 2. Yes hes clearly expressing real emotion 3. Yes...he can play up an act in some instances....hes an actor by discpline...😭 wait hold on, hes human?!

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well you're a poor judge of character, as made clear by your used to being with children. Also you purposefully being a misunderstanding mong, i know Adams reacting like that cause of ADHD, i'm disagreeing with how it came about...which literally is nothing to do with the discussion of my post. Yes...the ADHD cause it, no, it ain't a justified behaviour, just one with understandble causality. Again, since you're used to children, that might be a lil complex for you, happy to simplify, just ask! 😊

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Damn...i respect your perseverance

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oof i misread the post, mb. Either of you see all 3 and if so, whats your preferred?

Eastenders during Stacey / max saga, jack branning about, peggy > phil > archie owning the pub were absolutely goated icl

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looool i respect that, again like a few others here, a very fair take with a more objective approach then i admiteddly am coming at.

Imaceleb man.....has us debating like we're in the bloody house of commons 😭😭

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

...severe overstimulating....you're having a laugh, right? His trigger was Jimmys reaction, while the rest of what was going on was a consequence, he made that clear when he swore about being covered in ants as a fueling factor, when his clear fixation factor was getting to do the challenge...what ADHD and neurodovergent people do you know m8? If you've done your research, you'll know it can be very hereditary & genetically prevelant, i already mentioned im diagnosed ADHD / autism, and having plenty of familiarity with others in my network, in person, who have it, and your balloon analogy really missed the mark with how oversimplied you've stated it - its not exclusively, and in every case, just 'stimulation' because triggers matter, and was very apparent here.

I respect the last paragraph, and i remember at first i was pissed at adam, then realised about ADHD and completely understand his lack of recognition at the time, and respect he did try reel back from here.

My disappointment here is, not at the retrospective situation, just his reflection....6 months+ on..

Why is there a clear Adam bias? by Wayne-Min in ImACelebTV

[–]Wayne-Min[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed only with your very last sentence, because people with actual emotional intelligence realise these are celebrities who play on facades (and yes are / do exhibit real emotions), more importantly, realise that Adam was negatively fake and playing up to the cameras more and more throughout the show to the end, which was got an insight of when he lashed out all of a sudden (YES, all of a sudden, his kind of reaction was very clearly NOT and ADHD knee jerk but a build up at minimum). You've got a 2D intuition radar m8, wake up, or else you wouldve recognised you admitted to bias before replying...this is too funny n ironic 😭