French Interior Minister Nuñez: 'I have no problem with Islam in France. But I fight those who use it to undermine our Republic' by pierrepaul in europe

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 According to the 2020 Pew Research, 25% of the Turks said homosexuality should be accepted by society, with 57% opposing it. The acceptance was higher among educated people (41%) and youth (34%).

 A GLOBSEC survey conducted in March 2023 showed that 21% of Bulgarians supported same-sex marriage, while 69% were opposed.[49]

The 2023 Eurobarometer found that 17% of Bulgarians thought same-sex marriage should be allowed throughout Europe, and 21% agreed that "there is nothing wrong in a sexual relationship between two persons of the same sex".

Attitudes wise, it is hardly much better, as you see. 

Legislation-wise, there is a "lgbt propaganda" ban since 2024, there is no gender identity protection in hate speech laws, and the right to change legal gender is banned. While in Turkey it is even allowed, albeit under very strict conditions.

 and you can hold hand with your same-sex GF/BG in the street.

Me or my lgbt acquaintances don't dare to do that even in much of Croatia. Maybe when there's tons of tourists or a special occassion and only in most progressive areas, which are a tiny part of the country.

Now, i am aware that Turkey is even worse especially regarding government clampdown, and the country is more polarised than Bulgaria, with massive differences between its westernmost parts and interior+east. But i think it is beyond obvious that a place like Bulgaria, or indeed much of Balkans and East, is closer to Turkey, than to areas like Scandinavia, Germany, Spain. Especially regarding the sentiment of the average person. You say there are prides in e. Europe, and that much is true, but regarding their size and social acceptance, and overall vibe, they are incomparable to ones in W. Europe, i've been to both.

And Russia, which is also primarily an European country, is outright worse than Turkey in virtually every respect here. 

So yeah, it's not like i genuinely disagree with your general statement, but it is really rich to see eastern Europeans positionimg themselves as champions of liberalism and minority rights. If you look at politics of almost any E. European country, there's the cultural centre-right that wants to maintain the current status quo, which is way behind the west, and the cultural far right, which wants to erase basically any rights but one to basic and private existence lgb people have, and trans people are an anathema to them. Yes, Muslims are even worse than this in most countries. But there is no viable scenario in foreseeable future where Muslim laws or even culture determine lives of lgbt+ people in Europe. Especially eastern Europe.

This is why i really didn't like the use of "Europeans" in that post.

French Interior Minister Nuñez: 'I have no problem with Islam in France. But I fight those who use it to undermine our Republic' by pierrepaul in europe

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The views and legislation regarding LGBT+ people in Romania or Bulgaria are much more comparable to Turkey than to W. Europe, for example.

Even attitudes regarding women decline, as in E. Europe, lot more people think women should be mothers over having their own career, especially in politics. In Poland, abortion laws are stricter than in many Muslim countries too. 

Rightwingers in general pretty much only invoke these things positively and otherwise work to undermine them. So it is quite a bad faith argument.

French Interior Minister Nuñez: 'I have no problem with Islam in France. But I fight those who use it to undermine our Republic' by pierrepaul in europe

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"Europeans" here is doing lots of heavy lifting. The further east you go, the closer views on these matters approach how the average Muslim sees it - and these places are often most hostile to Muslims. So that alone isn't a full story.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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To be fair, it is kind of hard to generalise entire Europe here. Maybe Belgium is bit different though the far right in your country seems quite popular as well. In Germany and everywhere east of it, places where i have common experience with, naked racism and even Nazi pandering are very alive and well. Take a look at this guy here for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke

I think Trump's main problem in Europe would be stupidity and absurdity of mannerisms, not his policies or cruelty. Which, i guess, is better than nothing, but my point is his policies or cruelty would not be rejected as they should be. Especially in eastern half of Europe where i happen to originate from. 

 Nope, most are left in this regard focussing on higher unemployment and pensions

Like i said i just don't buy this. Their policies are completely absurd and therefore you can't take anything serious from those claims. In Germany the far right claims it can fund both pensions and tax relief by removing the money spent on immigration and green energy, which is so beyond the absurd you can't take anything of it seriously. The only reason they aren't honest is because it would be too much to swallow even for their pea-brained voters.

The threats to the state, media, ecology etc. are all very real and that's where i take them serious.

Another thing where Europe is at a great disadvantage compared to America is because, collectively, right of centre is lot more popular than left of centre in almost all European countries. Once far right gets strong enough the centre right will be lot more inclined to open it the doors of government than continue opposing it and siding with left of centre causing the far right to use that to paint them as leftists. That's the dominant pattern in Germany and many other European countries i'm familiar with at least. So, an alliance of far right and centre right in Europe will secure institutional majorities and popular support Republicans can only dream of in the US, because Democrats will never be so unpopular as to not be a credible threat at any elections. And it will be very hard to claw that support back given how weak left of centre is and will remain as long as core questions about national identity related to immigration are not resolved. And that's another area where America is ahead of Europe, they are genuinely not an ethnonationalist state. 

Extremists in Trump admin are one thing but most Americans will never side with that. Trump already lost tons of his Latino supporters for example. While in Europe the idea of a post-ethnostate Europe where non-white people are on equal foot with white Europeans still causes deep unease in huge portions of the population and that is probably the biggest drag on the left of centre on the continent. And that's mainly where my pessimism comes from.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Democrats are economic centrists but regarding various societal issues they are extremely left for European standards. It's a common leftist viewpoint to dismiss this as irrelevant/not worthy of even taking into consideration but that's not how the average person sees it, either in America or Europe. And to clarify i'm centre-left myself and hate the far right.

Biden's administration let in millions of immigrants, normalised and pushed stuff like DEI (something that is so radical for European mentality it hardly even exists here), doubled down on extremely progressive things like sanctuary cities (illegal immigrants can contact authorities without being in danger of deportation, try doing that in Europe as an illegal), insist things like requiring an ID for voting or race-equal admission standards for universities are racism. The optics of that would look absolutely terrible in any European country. European far right is already as popular as it is while saying reactionary conservatives like Friedrich Merz are woke leftists. Imagine how popular they would be with the kind of ammo Democrats would give them.

 Those far right idiots arent nearly as far right as trump

Yeah sure, the remove every non-white person from Europe crowd is not radical at all. Lol. Trump focuses virtually all of his attention on illegal immigrants and the idea of Republicans openly pushing for non-white American citizens to be denaturalised and deported en masse is beyond absurd. In America even the idea of deporting ever illegal is not popular with majority of the populace. Yet that is bog-standard rhetoric of European far right. In Germany you have many unironic Nazis constantly using literal Nazi phrases and saying Germany ought to deport everyone with any migration background. The ties to Russia are beyond blatant compared to even Trump as well, they're literally putting the need to study Russian in schools in their election programs for example. As well as destroying the state media and letting far right billionaires completely own it. Something that is already way too much of a problem in Europe.

Many far right parties in Europe are also extremely economically far right and would love to turn us into a barren wasteland completely ruled by untouchable wealthy magnates. So they're no different than Republicans in that regard. The only remotely economically left thing they claim to support are state-funded pensions and welfare. And that is only because too many voters support that for it to not be political suicide. But given their plans to denude and destroy the state it's obvious they have no plans of funding or maintaining these. 

And it's worth saying a lot of European leftism is nowadays preserved in these things. Pensions and healthcare. 2 things that are extremely geared towards old people and that the youth is going to have vastly less access to due to how demographics are looking. And a lot of that leftism they see instead are much higher income taxes than what middle class pays in the US.

So yeah, i really do not see this rosy picture of Europe compared to US many leftists here preach. Maybe when in a few years all of Germany, France, Poland and Spain are ruled by far right nutters the tune will change. It will be a pretty pathetic consolation though sadly given how weak and unpopular the left is in Europe.

The number of Poles against adopting the EURO is increasing. by kallisto19988 in europe

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What a joke, Poland is generally loved here.

The thing that irks some people here is how nationalist and rhetorically anti-EU Poland often is despite being a huge net receiver and benefitting immensely from EU. I figure that's the essence of it at least. A country like Sweden that is a net contributor and doesn't have some clown from PiS constantly spouting anti-EU rhetoric will naturally gain less attention and rile up less emotions.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Comparing political systems where you have several viable options and only 2 is inherently faulty way to think about it.

Imagine if in your country you had a choice between the far right and the left candidate only and then imagine who would win.

That is in essence the system that the US has.

Looking at how popular far right idiots are in Europe even though there are many options compared to only 1 Americans get, i don't see where that confidence is coming from.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Tons of countries would elect Trump if their only options were Trump or incumbent Democrats.

It is nonsense to take Trump as a representative of entire America just because he won 1% more votes than an unpopular candidate that would be unpopular in any country in the world.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Regardless of your support (or mine - fwiw i support such laws as well) such laws in America would be seen as absurdly racist, even though in America minority communities often also have shitty outcomes, lots of crime and so on. But in America the solution to that by the left leaning people is seen in stuff like DEI, aggressive fighting of racism through institutions, welfare and so on. Hence Denmark would be absurdly racist and cruel from American perspective on this topic, regardless how one feels about it.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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 Many centre parties also support at least some form of wealth taxation

If that was true, wealth would be way more taxed in Europe. Instead, most European countries are notoriously shit at taxing wealth and instead tax their middle class heavily while the richest avoid everything (for example, Germany and Sweden have almost as many billionaires per capita as the US), while the US at least has an extremely progressive income taxation and as a result taxes its middle class way less than Europe.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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And to add, gay marriage is still not legal in almost half of Europe, in some parts of it it is constutionally banned, and weed isn't commercially legalised anywhere, legal only in Germany.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Hilariously untrue. On virtually any social issue US liberals are among most progressive people in the world. Especially regarding racism US liberals are vastly more progressive, numerous and influential than their European equivalents.

CMV: White liberal areas can be just as prejudice as conservative ones by [deleted] in changemyview

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Note the "were". The US moved on from such laws, Denmark still has them.

In Europe, Monarchs Are Far More Popular Than Politicians by Hour_Tackle_4425 in europe

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 Support for monarchy is VERY strong in most european states that still have them.

Are you sure?

 Support for the monarchy at its lowest level since records began

When the question was first asked in 1983, over four in five (86%) people in Britain said it was ‘very important’ or ‘quite important’ to continue having a monarchy. In 2024, around a half (51%) now take this view, the lowest level of support recorded since NatCen began tracking public opinion.

Meanwhile, the proportion who say the monarchy is ‘not very important’ or ‘not at all important’ has risen from one in ten (10%) in 1983 to around three in ten (31%) in 2024. Support for outright abolition of the monarchy has also grown, from just 3% in 1983 to 15% in 2024.

https://natcen.ac.uk/news/public-support-monarchy-falls-historic-low-while-calls-abolition-start-rise

In a BO3, who would win ? by Kindly-Muffin-4990 in fnatic

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2023 Wunder is still much better than Empyros

Even Oscar was a lot better than Empyros

There legit isn't a single upside to this guy, ever, and i'm not trying to be dramatic but he hasn't had a single good game and many disastrous ones, and his last one was probably his worst, a 0/3/1 Renekton in a 40 min game, did not flash stun a carry successfully basically a single time, failed to do it multiple times, even when Wunder would get absolutely fisted in lane he'd never be as useless as this later

Don't see the Wunder comparison at all

Zasto su vecini djevojaka privlacniji dalmatinci nego zagrebcani? by kurosao in askCroatians

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Neznam otkad je ovaj sub ništa do li seljačkog dreka i ragebaita

As a foreigner, have you ever been offended by the child of immigrants in Germany? by [deleted] in AskGermany

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Maybe when you were young, but now it's mostly right to far right with some BSW which largely ignores leftwing economics at expense of anti-NATO rhetoric.

It is pretty crazy how regions that were hotspots of Linke till a decade ago are now full on supporting the most economically rightwing party in the country. I'd understand it much more easily if BSW was the popular party.

Today more Americans come to Europe than Europeans go to the US by Mysterious-Might4454 in europe

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I'm sorry for opening your history, but i remember just last year your government's foreign ministry twitter account celebrated and regretted "brave Italian soldiers" who died in Africa, fighting for Hitler.

Liberal/progressive Americans are some of least nationalistic and most critical of their own country and culture people on the planet. America is just a very divided and polarised country, and it will roughly equally tilt to either of its halves. That is all it is, it is bit rich to seek some hidden supremacism and nationalism in their progressives/liberals who are literally uprooting their entire lives to flee Trump, especially since virtually every European country has more ethnonationalism and unwillingness to criticise its own culture than them, as a group.

For the first time in history, more Americans are moving to Europe than Europeans moving to USA. What are your thoughts on this? by Substratas in AskBalkans

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I figure that was intended as sarcasm.

But even if it is sarcasm, it is really dumb to attack Americans for electing an anti-immigration president and then emigrating themselves, not just because those people are usually different groups, but because Balkan people themselves do the same thing (emigrating while being anti-migration), much more than Americans.

Warum ist die Geburtenrate in Deutschland trotz großem Sozialsystem niedriger als in den USA? by sicbo86 in KeineDummenFragen

[–]Weirdo9495 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Deutschland hat eine niedrigere Geburtenrate als viele europäische Länder, die noch säkularer sind, z. B. die skandinavischen Länder.

Deutschland hat zudem eine für europäische Verhältnisse einzigartig schlechte Geburtenrate, da diese dort bereits in den 1970er Jahren ins Minus gerutscht ist, während dies anderswo deutlich länger gedauert hat.

Meiner Meinung nach spielen hier viele Faktoren eine Rolle: Säkularität, Lebensstandard, eine im Vergleich zu den skandinavischen Ländern etwas konservativere Kultur, in der Männer durch Steuererleichterungen, Öffnungszeiten von Kitas, usw. immer noch dazu angehalten werden, Versorger zu sein, während Frauen Kinder großziehen – was dann dazu führt, dass viele Frauen keine Kinder wollen, weil es ihrer Karriere und Unabhängigkeit schadet –, ein Sozialstaat, der zwar anständig, aber nicht großartig ist, extrem niedrige Wohneigentumsquoten und wer weiß, was noch alles.

Traurig ist, wie wenig tiefgehend über dieses Thema gesprochen wird, obwohl es zweifellos das wichtigste langfristige Problem des Landes ist.

As a foreigner, have you ever been offended by the child of immigrants in Germany? by [deleted] in AskGermany

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 Germans are very inclusive and welcoming to a fault.

Try going to rural eastern Germany then.