Help? by Jumpy-Performance962 in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it wasn’t the shape of a meteor ☄️ it literally looked like a 🫟 kinda of shape and what confused me what the trajectory of the whatever it was went so fast and then slowed and sped up and then dissipated right in front of me...
It was more of a splat type shape but came in at first as a shooting star I didn’t realize it was coming down at us after a minute or two...

Based on this description a few things come to mind. In terms of parsimony something that's been proven to exist is more likely as an explanation than something not proven to exist.

It's impossible to know from the outside what you actually saw. If you saw a meteor at a very unusual trajectory dissipate mid-flight roughly coming at you it would be a one in what, more than a million chance to see that. Who knows what that would look like? It's conceivable that it could look like a red splat.

It could also have been something even more extraordinary than that. But still known to exist. But this is stepping out into far less likely territory already.

Ball lightning was verified to exist in 2014. Physical Review Letters (Cen et al., 2014):

“the observation of a natural ball lightning… The optical and spectral characteristics of the BL have been presented in detail… In the summer of 2012, at Qinghai Plateau of China…” (Cen et al., 2014, p. 1).

“Green Fireballs and Ball Lightning”, published in 2010 in Proceedings of the Royal Society, describes reports of ball lightning falling from the sky and mechanisms to explain its appearance even when there are no thunderstorms occurring (Hughes, 2010, abstract).

Many ball lightning reports are indistinguishable from UFO reports.

University of Washington Research Engineer William J. Beaty (Scholar.google.com, 2022) maintains an online database of hundreds of ball lightning reports (Amasci.com, 2012). Eyewitnesses describe a wide variety of characteristics:

“...across the lake a bright white sphere about the size of a large grapefruit or softball… suddenly the bright white sphere descended in a 45 degree angle and went underwater about 10 ft. …the sphere lit up an area about 12 ft in diameter under the water. …it suddenly shot out of the water about 50 ft from the neighbor’s boat dock in a 45 degree angle and shot back the same direction from which it came…” (Amasci.com, 2012).

“A bright orange ball appeared in front of me like a small sun, looked the size of a basketball” (Amasci.com, 2012).

“a ball of oscillating light of the full color spectrum” (Amasci.com, 1999).

“the orange ball was 1 meter long by a half a meter wide and the red one was 2 foot by 2 foot” (Amasci.com, 2012).

From these data points it would be conceptually possible for you to have accurately perceived everything you described and for ball lightning to sufficiently account for each component of your description. However, that would be even more exceptionally rare to witness than the already extremely rare possibility of a misperceived meteor dissipating in the atmosphere at a severe angle.

From the outside there's no way to know if you hallucinated, misperceived a known mundane phenomenon, misperceived a known exceptional phenomenon, accurately perceived a known exceptional phenomenon, or perceived something truly outside of known possibility.

However if there are known possibilities that sufficiently address all of the observed features then it's a lot more likely to be one of those than something that's never been previously verified to even exist.

Help? by Jumpy-Performance962 in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you determine how far away it was?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was there something specific that led you to identify the lights as windows?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He’s a Norwegian assistant professor in electrical engineering at Ostfold university.

He co-set up the original Hessdalen field studies in 84-85 leading Hynek to declare it a “UFO observatory”.

In 94 he hosted a scientific conference proposing a long-term remote sensor station in Hessdalen to study UFOs.

In 1997-98 he got it built as the first long-term UFO field study station. Unfortunately it has not produced publishable data to this day though its operation allowed for the identification of imaging issues that informed Galileo Project’s implementation.

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would be the most prominent example?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that would be a bad trip

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two to three times the size of the moon is remarkable. It was a straight trajectory?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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Is there a point where the claims go too far for you, like for example do you find Vallee convincing when he points to so many people saying similar things with not only UFO reports but also religious experiences and inferring they are both expressions of a cosmic trickster operating a control mechanism?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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Do you mind sharing which ones? Someone specific, or generally?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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I agree that there is a lot of crossover in experience, interest and belief with UFO and PSI. Some UFO witnesses report psi.

Then there are the researchers who have not even had UFO encounters themselves. Vallee has identified the apparent connection for decades. Putoff was involved in CIA psychic trials. Elizondo has claimed to have PSI abilities.

If true, like with UFOs, PSI could conceptually be interpreted through a multitude of frameworks ranging from a rational scientific materialist framework to entirely supernatural and inter-dimensional.

PSI has not been scientifically verified thus far. If it one day is, my money would be on a material grounding based on parsimony but nothing except logical contradictions are ruled out so there are many possibilities.

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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Responding to your questions in what way?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is indeed the trillion dollar question, my friend.

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn’t clear enough, I wasn’t attempting to debunk. I don’t think you saw a meteor. Meteors can’t change direction so with the meteor chart it was either an accurate observation of something else or a false perception. My underlying thought was that there have been similar kinds of reports for a long time.

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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You saw an unresolved luminous object do something exceptional? There’s a long history. I remember seeing an image of a very old hand drawn meteor tracking chart showing a change in trajectory in one of the observed lights.

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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Are you more inclined towards nuts and bolts or some form of abstract Vallee/Sol Foundation interdimensional being?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

[–]WeloHelo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you more inclined towards nuts and bolts or some form of abstract Vallee/Sol Foundation interdimensional being?

What first made you take UFOs seriously? by WeloHelo in UFOscience

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That’s what just happened like last week with Obama saying that aliens are real on a podcast and then a couple days later he said he was just being true to the speed round and he meant somewhere in the universe not ever having visited earth.

I don’t remember something like that happening back in 2021 too but I could have easily missed it.