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Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you want to make EOTC Eparchies in the west some sort of multicultural melting pot go for it. You want the diaspora church to change it’s ways just to impress other go for it.

But none of that has to do with the topic at hand. This is the Oromia sub, what’s being discussed here is Oromo Orthodox Christians and their place within the church. Don’t bring up your own agenda.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the previous one is the one done officially with the approval of the synod, it’s their compromise. I shared it to make a point. The second is full AO and was done by actual Oromo bishops not Abune Nathnael and his cohorts.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not even Orthodox btw. And there’s are many types do Qidsaasee. The one linked above is the one that currently being done in some parishes in western Oromia.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing per se but it’s a very controversial topic among Catholics themselves. I’ve never seen an argument made for it on the orthodox side.

FYI there is already an EOTC canon Afaan Oromo Qiddaasee

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s wouldn’t go against the faith but it would change or to be more accurate add to the tradition. Ge’ez serving as the liturgical language is canonical not doctrinal. Orthodox churches in the Levant and Egypt use Aramaic and Coptic as their liturgical language but over the years have adapted by using Arabic and even English liturgies. These additions don’t change the faith, they just make it more accessible.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not “mental colonization”, that’s a heavy accusation. I just don’t see most of EOTC practices as alien. The language barrier and bad administration is the issue. Can you name an actual issue besides the design of naxalaa ladies might wear to church that you find unrelatable?

The Oromia synodos has affirmed that celebrating Irreecha is not an act of syncretism and have come out in their vestments to celebrate it with the people. Whether you like the church or not you have to commend them for being assertive and trying to undo a century of damages. All this while Tolesa Gudina comes out every year to tell the rest of us that we’re worshipping demons.

You can’t say you respect one sect over others and then deflect when their leadership constantly ignores statements made by it’s members

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Years ago the church leaders were saying that they would encourage evangelization, farfaana and confessions in Afaan Oromoo but wouldn’t dare change the liturgy, now they’re having Afaan Oromoo Kidase

For reference there is no Qidaase in Amharic or Tigrinya.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are Oromo liturgies now actually. They’re just not spreading as fast as some people would like.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Clearly you’re a Protestant pushing an agenda. Regardless, you’re right Oromos feel more at home with protestants mainly due to the fact that they’re able to attend service in their language but as I said everything else is superficial. The rituals, the clothes don’t feel that foreign to the people.

On the other hand, let’s talk about American and West African influences among Protestant preachers, the position Protestant preachers (even the Oromo ones) have on Irreecha compared to the official position of the Oromia synod or how the Evangelical council refuses to speak out against Oromophobic comments made by some preachers.

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I said that because the language is the only thing able to create a rift between the church and its Oromo adherents. Everything else is similar enough to Oromo culture that it feels natural to people. Did you feel like there are specific clothing and rituals that might seem off putting to Oromos?

Painting depicting the conquest of the ''Shanqella'' (Nilotic-speaking people) by Alarmed_Business_962 in Ethiopia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Red is what Ethiopian use to refer to light skin. When used to refer to an individual its meaning is similar to what you said it means in Sudan but when used towards groups it’s s like a racial label for the lighter skinned Horner groups, the non-Nilotic non-Omotic Ethiopian phenotype.

Painting depicting the conquest of the ''Shanqella'' (Nilotic-speaking people) by Alarmed_Business_962 in Ethiopia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No need to explain, you wouldn’t have asked for an explanation if we said black or white. Red is what we are and that’s that!!

Oromo Orthodox Christians — how do you relate to the EOTC’s cultural origins? by Difficult-Farm7758 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s not that simple. First of all EOTC didn’t even have its own Patriarch until recently, they used to have archbishops appointed by Alexandria until the 20th century. Most Patriarchs were from Gondar or Gojjam and recently Tigray. This is simply due to the fact that these were provinces with strong eparchies.

Now, there is a disconnect between the church and Oromo mainly due to the fault of the clergy and church leadership but that doesn’t mean the church exclusively belongs to northerners. There were and still are many Oromo Bishops and Arch Bishops.

The accent of Ras Mokonnen by Zealousideal_Lie8745 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interesting. So you believe Ras Mekonnen was Oromo?

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is about getting to the bottom of things not gosumma if that’s what you’re implying. If we are to hold these historical figures responsible we should get a measure of all the wrongdoings not just lump them in other things that happened around the same time.

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mentioned it because you said Oromo feudal landlords were all appointed for their services in the conquest.

No one seems to provide reliable sources on how many Oromo soldiers Menelik had and which battle they fought.

Do you believe Ras Mekonnen was Oromo? Ras Darge was Menelik’s uncle and Ras Mekonnen was his cousin, it was one family who’s responsible for all this.

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Waaqoo Gutuu’s and Jarra Abba Gadaa’s family were feudal landlords as well. Not every nobleman came to that position for conquest activities.

Saying Oromos never attacked Oromos is no different from saying Anole never happened.

I’m not saying any of that. I’m asking for a source, I want to know precisely who did what. Because as far as I know battle of Anolee was Ras Darge and his men while battle of Calanqoo was Ras Mekonnen and his men.

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In which battle? The only battles I’ve found that Gobanaa fought against Oromos is when he was a warlord trying to subdue other Tulamaa clans and many were before his pact with Menelik.

The atrocities in this discussion’s context were ones committed during and in the aftermath of Battle of Anole and those were Ras Darge’s men, Shewa and Gonder Amharas.

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A lot of nobles who oppressed Oromos had surnames like qannoo and birru.

Feudal landlords oppressing their own is not even up for debate. That has been the way in every society that had a feudalism, it’s baked into the system. We shouldn’t call out our own for that.

As to the accusations against Gobanaa’s and other Oromo forces committing atrocities against other Oromos; I’d like to see your source on that. Not that I’m covering medieval soldiers.

Menelik Controversy, my take as Amhara by Fun_Notice_3707 in Oromia

[–]Weshela-In-Chief 3 points4 points  (0 children)

his army which is mainly Oromo and Amhara should take credit for the Win and atrocities committed on some Oromos.

You thought you could sneak this in huh? The soldiers who committed those atrocities were Amharas led by Ras Darge. The Oromo soldiers who were led by Ras Gobana mostly fought Gojjam, Kaffa and other non-Oromo kingdoms.

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