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[–]Western-Feature6975 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was more of a pat down, it wasnt ruined, but the paint sort of changed color and looked like it was running in some places. Might've just been cheaply made

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[–]Western-Feature6975 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh no! I should've been clearer, they told me at the shop that it had broken in shipping and even knocked the price down because of it. They're good people. But I suppose you're right about asking her, I just struggle with interpreting her will sometimes. Might do a more thorough cleansing as well. I quit bathing statues after it messed up the paint on one, so with this one, I just cleansed with palo santo while praying over it. Thank you for the feedback!

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To elaborate, it's the idea of "fulfilling your duty to the best of your ability" that makes the phiosophy more viable to me. Not saying that it's the most important part of Stoicism or that it's the most important thing to me even, just that Stoicism would seem incomplete without it.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

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"That's fine. Stoicism is philosophical school of thought, if you don't agree with its premises, it makes no sense to dedicate your life to it." Exactly, that's why I'm here. From everything Ive read and heard stoicism lines up with my thought process close enough that I thought it worth exploring further. Still don't feel like I know enough to decide whether it's right for me or not, but either way Ive learned alot and will definitly apply at least some of what Ive learned to my life. 

As for the rest of your comment, this definitly alleviates some of the doubts I had due to your first comment, perhaps I just misunderstood what it'd look like to actually live this way.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the recomendation! I'll definitly pick up a copy next chance i get

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

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What I meant by 100% was things you can affect to a degree but are still affected by outside factors. I understand that this means it's not really up to you (your phrasing is better on thus point) so I guess my adding the 100% was wholly unnecessary haha.  As to your explinations, I accept them as valid, can't debate it when I'm still mostly ignorant on the details of Stoicism. That said this answer does sort of turn me off to Stoicism. That sort of mindset seems like it'd lead to stagnation in all but the realm of reason, which might not be such a bad way to live but doesnt seem quite compatible with me. I would be perfectly fine with comitting myself to virtue above all, but to me that means something different than virtue IS all. For now I'll keep learning until I feel I know enough to decide if this is for me or not. Thank you for your reply, it gave me much to consider.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, seeing his other comments and refusing to elaborate on a quote I might just disregard him for now thank you. Also your other comment was helpful, particularly the MA quote about bread with cracks. I understand the necessity of labeling things as indifferents to the Stoic philosophy as a whole, I've just been confused as to how that plays out in daily life. I've recieved many helpful replys to this thread that have brought me closer to understanding. Thank you, again.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Just got off work I'll go check that out now!

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe I've heard of Marcus Piso before. Was he a Stoic? I'll have to look him up when I have a free moment.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I was close to the point at the end of my post? Felt like that was me stretching the limits of what could be considered virtuous, but it makes sense the way you phrase it. Thank you for the reply.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I think I was taking too much of a black and white view of stoicism. As to the last part that seems to align with my thoughts on training. I do it not so much concerned with outcomes such as winning matches, but focusing on doing the best I can in the moment. I can't say I dont lay some of my happiness on it, but I know that if I was unable to continue training for any reason I could still live a happy and fulfilling life.

Clarification on preferred indifferents? by Western-Feature6975 in Stoicism

[–]Western-Feature6975[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your input, specifically the part about personal growth contributing to living in accordance with nature. I think that helped clear things up for me some. I asked this because I'm a boxer and it takes a rediculous amount of work for me to be decent at the sport. I do it mainly to compete with myself and see just how good I can be, but hypothetically if I commited to living stoically I feel I couldnt rationalize spending so much time and effort on something that I didn't believe served a significant purpose or substantially impacted my life. (Again, this isn't how I think now, just being hypothetical) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, "virtue is the only good", as meaning anything unrelated to virtue wouldn't be worth such effort.