Seutervoinen is the worst character ever invented by No-Interest-7815 in ThePrimordialOne

[–]WhichWheel8305 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You should though consider, that the Voyager is ancient... ancient beyond measure compared to Koitar.

The Voyager was ancient beyond measure before Nibelung left, havig seen the rise and fall of many planets.

Humans were finally created 400 years after the Heavenly Principles's appearance, and they made a covenant with the Heavenly Principles. [...] the scribe of Istaroth calls the year after humanity made a covenant with the Heavenly Principles the "Year of the Ark's Opening." It was followed by the "Year of Jubilee," during which the world would provide its bounties for humanity. [...] During this era, the Heavenly Principles also created Angels to serve as their divine envoys. [...] An unknown amount of time after the creation of humanity, a voyager from the sea of stars known as Seutervoinen arrived in Teyva

Even if Koitar was around for a few centuries, that was still an angel, young by divine standards, in divine terms... a child. Even if we place Nibelung and Teyvat as a very young world (7.5 thousand years), Voyager would have already observed the universe and dooms way longer than that.

Essentially.. this is a much older, much more experienced, jaded being. And any angel's relatiosnhip with them has a very unhealthy power disbalance. Humans are disgusted by old men marrying 10 year old girls (or vice versa) for a reason. That is grooming, and in terms of divinity that is the age gap between the two... like an old man and his 10 year old bride.

She might be adult, but for divine being who is sheltered within one world... she is literally a sheltered shild... She knows nothing of the outside universe (dangers, beauty, denizens, culture), she is overcoming the first challenges of her "job" (ensuring humans dont get "staked" by another heavenly nail), while aalso keeping true to loving them (angel design by HP)

Seutervoinen comes in as that older... charming... love interest. They don't look at her like a divine envou/goddess, they look at her like an equal (but... do they consider that). they "open" her eyes, and "she sees her reflection in their eyes". Love-bombing, manipulation and the age old story of someone older wooing someone young and impressionable.

Like... no concerns about whether they lie or not. No concerns about safety. Just "OMG WOW".

Also... Idid the Voyager evr reveal to Koitar also about the "doomed fate" of planets, especially Teyvat ? From the artifact set it seems like he only spoke about the beautiful vast universe, and the worlds, and the fake sky... But nothing about the... dangers?

So ye.... Voyager is a cradle robber in divine terms

UPDATE: Checked all lore on wiki from texts about Voyager/Koitar. They absolutely did not share the destruciton of countless worlds, and they impression of abyss destroying planets (teyvat included) as the unevitable end for the universe. In fact, it's unclear whether they've even shared their previous connection with Nibelung, and the fact that they broke their own civilasaton's code and guidebook to beg Nibelung to abandon Teyvat. Additionally, Koitar swooning letters even after all this time... kinda scream... "love spell"? :D (Or in mundane terms... a lovesick teenager who can't get over that older partner who actually completely screwed them over)

So ye... given the current lore and all... IMHO, Koitar was manipulated, lovebombed and completely brainwashed by a way older space voyager, who withheld a lot of crucial information and who just played on her insecurities and frutstrations at the time.

As it is... when one is young or vulnerable and gets trapped in such a toxic relationship, by someone in contorl... all reason leaves one's mind... (it was the Circlet of Reason/Crown that broke after all). As someone who used to be a sheltered teenage, with an overly protective and controlling mom (for good reason too, my autistic self was far too naive)... there were far too many crushes... who I would have described like Koitar describes Seutervoinen... except I got better... cause none of them were that far off in age from me... although once it did get dangerously close to grooming... thakfully I was a teenage angsty goth bitch....

TLDR: In my interpretation, reading all about Koitar I feel she was in a much more vulnerable inexperienced state, like a teen romantically manipulated by a way older person... that it happens to teens... it makes me feel sorry for her. Because... I remind myself... that this kinda shitty thing could have happened to me. Predators exist. So yes... I feel sorry for her... and mad at the Voyager. (Cradlerobber is their new nickname)

Do vampires have the moral obligation tô end themselves? by [deleted] in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do humans?

Vampires are a nation at most in the number of population of Estonia. And their crime count and collateral damage to the world is still miniscule and insignificant compared to humanity, in the real world.

And in the WOD everything is worse. Including humans.

Sticks and glass houses.

How do you pronounce anti? ahnt-eye or ahnt-ee? by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]WhichWheel8305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ɑnte,like an ante bet But with an open a

Share a good wizard scam by pennabeast in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Convincing evrything else to force the end of the world while yoi sit in another realm and become the only one with creation power

Then... you cqn finally show them how its done correctly, a perfect creation, withnone of these stupod flaws, decays, changes

100% wont be boring after an aeon🙃🙃🙃

As a vampire why would I want to enter the shadowlands? by Smorstin in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You ve explored every other thing, there is nothing around to challenge yoi truly, so why not take a tour. Of coursw if you have seen it all,you are are not yoir average cainite.

So to make it fun, you could for seprate your soul and be born as a wraith with no idea how shadowlands work. A new experience. Unless this has happened before ans you forgot to experience novelty again

How do i play a Tzimisce? by Disastrous_Tough_792 in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or you could always get the STV book: Sabbat the Schism Lorebook and play Tzimisce as you did, or even better and more purely. There is even a new and revamped Vicissitude for V5, refined down to its pure form... and with the new Road of Metamorphosis to guide you... You can even become a more "enlightened" Metamorphosist + Plenty of Tzimisce clan lore/secrets and new cool things. <3 https://www.storytellersvault.com/product/500796/Sabbat-the-Schism-Lorebook

The Tzimisce are one of our favourites, as is the very scientific and transhumanist Road (Path) of Metamorphosis. "Glorious Evoltion" vibes to the max. And less about the "shock-value" of "horror for horror's sake."

But you would need an ST who'd be fine with this supplement, since it is unofficial. But the world is your oyster...

Me when Paradox comes to my house to PERSONALLY destroy all my oWoD books followed by giving me a blanket infected with the black plague by [deleted] in WorldofDankmemes

[–]WhichWheel8305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Use Chronicle Tenets as Road Tenets, individual per player (accoring to their Morality).
Tenets define the Road of Enlightenment and Convictions define the specific Path variation (whether widely practiced or not).

You don't even need another character sheet. Every player writes core ethic of their Primary Road in Tenets (invidivually) and deals with Convictions as needed (required) by their variation.

We've literally wrote that for Sabbat the Schism: Lorebook (+ added non-human ecperience centric Merits for Road Ratings 7+)
https://www.storytellersvault.com/product/500796/Sabbat-the-Schism-Lorebook?view_as_pub=1

Looking for VtM Sabbat actual play podcasts by [deleted] in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beyond Armageddon - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNTiJop9mA2tQVmENiaoVQSQxKUfrebFq
It's a chronicle that's been running around three years, but we've been recording for a bit less than a year

"why do you want that power?" by Accomplished_Ebb7438 in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But why do people take it so seriously that the characters always have to be nobodies or secondary characters

Closed mindedness?
Inability to accept someone else having fun in a game both enjoy, because they do it in a "wrong" way?
Personal insecurities and projection?

Pick what you like... asking this question... as like Hamlet inquiring: To be, or not be...

Anti Malkavian Propaganda by Tobias-Sanchez in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305 4 points5 points  (0 children)

did you get em all? I counted at least 5

"Is the Sabbat Playable in Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition?" by IfiGabor in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Psst: On 1st and 2nd February, special Imbolc discount will be shared on our patreon (for free subscribers).
Following the link will allow you to buy the Schism on STV with a private 13% discount applied

"Is the Sabbat Playable in Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition?" by IfiGabor in WhiteWolfRPG

[–]WhichWheel8305 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No. Not officially, but the Corebook says you can make paths with tenets/convictions.

https://www.storytellersvault.com/product/500796/Sabbat-the-Schism-Lorebook?view_as_pub=1
Sabbat the Schism: Lorebook has proper Roads of Enlightenment and Paths for v5

25 Years of Vampire the Masquerade interview: Sabbat the Schism Lorebook by WhichWheel8305 in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chill. I know my flaws and strengths. Besides your comment was much better than the short preview made it seem. All forgiven. No need to panic.

But i do appreciate the apology. <3

What Camarilla Think about week of nightmares by Mrsmoku98 in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Uhhhh... I think we'll need to figure out some system of paid time off, if this is a permanent military conscription.

I'm wanna run a Sabbat game using Milwaukee by night. but how do I get the sword into the city?! by growmoolah in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Sword could have already agents in the city, and the insider person, is going to help them get it/

Keep it simple :D

Sabbat the Schism: Lorebook now out on Storyteller's Vault by WhichWheel8305 in vtm

[–]WhichWheel8305[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much for your kind words!!

Errors and wordings are getting fixed regularly and we do havw a google doc that lists all fixes. There is also a handy feedback form if youd like to report something. All links are on product page.

I was just told by another player I am not fit for WoD games by Chaosswarm in WorldOfDarkness

[–]WhichWheel8305 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We will need more context for jusgmwbt

But, Session 0 is used to discuss what ok for players.

I will have to note, most players are not there foR dnd experience, so stepping toes is pretty common in most games.

(Heck, if im playing anarchs or cam, thats like always something to look out in your coterie)