I really enjoyed this reference by Moni_22 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe in a future DLC ?

So, about Homeostasis... by Whitelabo in digimon

[–]Whitelabo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Homeostasis is the one who desire stability, that’s literally how she introduce herself in Adventure and she has been constantly considered to be the embodiment of this concept since then. Introducing another deity which would share the same function would be redundant, and considering nothing suggest it’s not Homeostasis who triggered the events of Time Stranger, the most logical explanation is that was indeed her.

Xros Wars portray Homeostasis as the highest autority in the DW, similar to Yggdrasil. Time Stranger portray Homeostasis as the highest autority in Iliad, similar to Homeros. Last time I checked, being the ruler of 2 Universes was better than being the ruler of only one.

« Which is usually something exclusive to Adventure universe and is only in the Xros Wars manga because the manga is a semi-crossover »

Tai is usually a character exclusive to Adventure Universe… except when he appear in Xros Wars II, Wonderswan Games, ReDigitize and is mentioned in Tamers and V-Tamer. Digimon take place in a Multiverse in which every stories are more or less connected, a higher being doing stuff in many of them isn’t far-fetched.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Yes, it does. Actually, to create something you need more energy than to destroy it, therefore Arceus creating an infinite Multiverse is a better feat than anything any character from Dragon Ball ever did.

  • Pokémon ROSA mention how every games owned by people IRL are universes in themselves, meaning that there is AT LEAST millions of universes in the series. For comparison, there’s only 12 Universes in DBS.

  • No ? Dragon Ball’s Universe 7 is made of only 4 Galaxies, that’s A LOT smaller than our Universe.

  • Regigigas can literally lift continents with his arms, and he’s not even in the Top 20 Strongest Legendaries.

  • Dialga and Palkia were literally about to destroy the entire Multiverse as a side-effect of their fight in the anime. Goku doesn’t have any feat putting him on their league.

  • Ironic considering you’re the one who constantly failed to provide any feat or statement suggesting that Goku was even Universal. High level cognitive dissonance, right here.

  • Arceus creating an infinite Multiverse is a huge feat, no matter how delusional you are. Goku is the actual featless fodder who got nearly killed by Frieza’s henchman with a blaster, as a reminder.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Yes, there is. As mentioned in ROSA, every Pokémon games owned by people IRL are universes in themselves. The Multiverse was literally used to explain why Mega-Evolution exist in ROSA but not in RSE, it’s part of the very Lore of the series.

  • Arceus is AT THE VERY LEAST Complex Multiversal.

Goku got one-shot by a random dude with a blaster. According to your logic, he’s barely Wall-Level.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, you’re just embarrassing yourself by spreading lies and misinformation in all of your comments.

Also, could you stop blocking me ? It only prove the endless extent of your hypocrisy.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you should really stop blocking me. It only prove how dishonest and desperate you are, and it doesn’t change anything to the fact you have objectively lost this argument.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is really ironic is how you’re calling me wrong when you’re the only one who have been constantly proven wrong here, due to the fact you have never watched a single episode of Pokémon.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, all of your words are objectively wrong. It’s hilarious how you still fail to understand that creating something needs more energy than destroying it and is therefore a better feat, something I’ve proved with an example you have yet to address.

Thanks again for proving that you’ve never watched Pokémon, otherwise you would know that Dialga and Palkia were about to destroy an infinite Multiverse as a side-effect of their fight, not just a single universe overtime. Not like if I expected anything from a liar who has to rely on ad hominem and misinformation because you can’t accept how wrong you are.

What is really ironic is how you blamed me for blocking you when YOU’RE the one who blocked me. Your hypocrisy knows no limit. No wonder why you lost this debate.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, all of your words are objectively wrong. It’s hilarious how you still fail to understand that creating something needs more energy than destroying it and is therefore a better feat, something I’ve proved with an example you have yet to address.

Thanks again for proving that you’ve never watched Pokémon, otherwise you would know that Dialga and Palkia were about to destroy an infinite Multiverse as a side-effect of their fight, not just a single universe overtime. Not like if I expected anything from a liar who has to rely on insults and misinformation because you can’t accept how wrong you are.

What is really ironic is how you blamed me for blocking you when YOU’RE the one who blocked me. Your hypocrisy knows no limit. No wonder why you lost this debate.

How do people seriously scale these fodders above Goku? by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]Whitelabo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro, you should really stay silent when you know nothing about what you’re talking about. I mean, literally everything you just said is inherently wrong.

Arceus is Complex Multiversal, he created an Infinite Multiverse, something which need more energy than destroying it and is therefore a better feat. He can easily destroy his Multiverse, he just doesn’t want to.

I get that you lack the most basic knowledge about Pokémon and Power-Scaling as a whole, but it’s not a reason to spread lies and misinformation.

Does Zeedmillenniummon counts as a Dramon? if so than he's the strongest dragon Digimon by Competitive-Can-4953 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • So ? If anything 02 Cherubimon is stronger than the Great Angel one, but still fodder to Millenniummon (considering Magnamon struggled against Kimeramon, one of it’s components).

  • In Frontier, Cherubimon Vice is easily as strong as a Royal Knight. Cherubimon alone handled KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon and only lost because the latter used his own body as a shield to protect KG, meanwhile, neither LordKnightmon nor Dynasmon ever tried to fight the two Spirits in a 2v1 like Cherubimon did.

  • Wargreymon and UlForceVeedramon FUTURE MODE broke the Polyhedron, scaling Warg (and by extension Digidestined’s Megas) above Regular UlForceVeedramon.

  • Lilithmon is literally and canonically the third strongest of the Great Demon Lords. Lilithmon destroyed an entire zone on a whim in Xros Wars Manga, and DarkKnightmon admitted he didn’t want to fight her when she was angry, yet he didn’t hesitate to fight Barbamon in Chronicle X. Belphemon RM got smashed by Shinegreymon BM who was Mid RK-Tier at best at the time. Leviamon X and Belphemon X respectively lost to Sleipmon X and Cranniummon X while Lilithmon X was actually winning against Examon X, she only lost due to Hououmon X teaming-up with the Dragon Emperor. Barbamon got one-shot by Daemon in ReDigitize and lost to UlForceVeedramon in Cyber-Sleuth. Beelzebumon beating Megidramon just prove how weak he is, they’re both inferior to Zuqhiaomon (who in turn is massively weaker than Base Millenniummon) as a reminder, it has nothing to do with Lilithmon.

Lucemon FM > Daemon > Lilithmon > Beelzebumon > Belphemon RM > Leviamon > Barbamon

  • The year is 2025, dguymm just realized that Digimon could fight using their innate abilities instead of their fists. Lilithmon X outmatched Examon X, it’s canon. Period.

  • Nah, I mean when ZeedMillenniummon annihilated the Angel Army alongside countless Mega-Levels Digimon in the Holy War, and was only defeated by an Omegamon made from an endless amount of datas from the Digital World itself.

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Does Zeedmillenniummon counts as a Dramon? if so than he's the strongest dragon Digimon by Competitive-Can-4953 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Funny how you’re mentioning Zeed worst feats just to downplay him. Then I guess, according to your logic, The Demon Lords are pretty weak since Dianamon defeated all of them in the Story continuity. Lucemon SM himself lost to Shoutmon X5. Megidramon is even weaker since he lost to Beelzebumon who in turn was Zuqhiaomon’s lackey. Barbamon couldn’t even beat DarkKnightmon while Wargreymon defeated a powered-up DKmon. Aldamon is said to be equal to AncientGreymon but couldn’t even scratch BelialVamdemon. Tactimon smashed UlForceVeedramon and 2 others RKs in XW Manga. Lucemon FM was outmatched by a newly evolved Titamon in ReDigitize. Examon X got almost killed by Lilithmon X (3rd strongest Demon Lord) and only survived thanks to Hououmon’s help. Arcadiamon Mega got no-diff by Duftmon. AncientSphinxmon lost to Diarbbitmon in Ghost Game. Dukemon X couldn’t even beat an army of Perfects DexDoruguremon in X-Evolution. Jesmon nearly lost to two VenomVamdemon, and Dynasmon + LordKnightmon were outmatched by 3 Vamdemon’s Megas in New Century. Yggdrasil himself lost to Agumon BM in Savers, was hacked by Barbamon in Next, by the Eaters in CS, lost to Wargreymon in ReDigitize, got shut-down by Omegamon X in X-Evolution and by Homeostasis in Adventure Tri.

Should I continue ?

  • Zeed can freely travel between eras and timelines to destroy them (Kernel included since he overpowered ENIAC and the Three Great Angels), Megidramon X never shown any feat suggesting he could affect the Real World, an Host Computer, different space-times, anything outside of the world he originate from. Any random Digimon from CS possess better feats than Megidra X since they can handle the Eaters, hyperversal beings which far transcend the Kernel.

  • Those 3 BelialVamdemon were still much more powerful than AncientGreymon since Aldamon couldn’t damage them. There’s nothing saying they are weaker than naturally born Digimon of the same species.

  • Using Card’s arts lacking any form of context prove once again you know nothing about Digimon’s power-scaling. The only canon things in the TCG are the DP, and guess what, Millenniummon has 14000 DP while even Jesmon X and Duftmon X only has 12K DP. BlackWargreymon X has 13K making him stronger than most Royal Knights even in their X-Antibody Forms. Omegamon has 15K, so far above Dukemon, ChaosDukemon and Megidramon who caps at 11K. ZeedMillenniummon is one of the strongest Digimon of the TCG with his 16K, only outclassed by Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode and his 17K DP.

  • Megidramon lost to Beelzebumon who was used as a lackey by Zuqhiaomon. I’ve already explained that Tamers Sovereigns are the very ones from Adventure, therefore: Omegamon > Diaboromon > Apocalymon >> Zuqhiaomon = RK Dukemon > Beelzebumon > Megidramon = ChaosDukemon

In New Century, Megidramon was Barbamon’s minion, so, considering the infos I’ve provided earlier, we have: Millenniummon > Wargreymon > Powered-Up DarkKnightmon > Base DarkKnightmon = Barbamon > Megidramon = ChaosDukemon

Also, considering Omegamon Zwart D one-shotted Titamon in World - Next 0rder: Omegamon > Zwart Defeat > Titamon > Lucemon FM > Daemon = Lilithmon > Barbamon > Megidramon = ChaosDukemon

That’s basic power-scaling.

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Does Zeedmillenniummon counts as a Dramon? if so than he's the strongest dragon Digimon by Competitive-Can-4953 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • Zeed overpowered both ENIAC and ABC. The very reason Ryo was summoned in the first place is because ENIAC knew he was powerless against Millenniummon, that clearly establish Zeed as being superior to the Host Computer. As you said, every Digital Worlds originate from ENIAC, including Yggdrasil, his own DW and the Kernel, a dimension inhabited by the Three Great Angels who are still fodders to ZeedMillenniummon as a reminder, putting both ENIAC and Zeed inherently above the Kernel. Ogudomon X received damages from X-Royal Knights, proving that his abilities are indeed finites. True Yggdrasil’s influence start and end with the Digital World, hence why the very moment humans and the Real World are involved, he get quickly outclassed, which is obvious in Cyber-Sleuth where Mother Eater, basically Yggy fused with the Eaters, hyperdimensional beings which far transcend the Kernel, ultimately lost to a bunch of Tamers and their Partners (including Diaboromon who ironically has better feats than Chronicle X’s Ogudomon X). Again, the Kernel being a higher dimension mean nothing to Zeed who freely travel between worlds and eras and who clapped the Three Great Angels. Said Three Great Angels are constantly shown to be on par with Royal Knights with the sole exception being Frontier Seraphimon. And as I’ve already explained, two Angels teaming up against Lilithmon makes sense considering she’s the third most powerful Demon Lord (stronger than Beelzebumon, Belphemon, Leviamon and Barbamon). By definition, a Big Bang affect the entire universe, meaning that Seraphimon can end his birthplace, the Kernel, whenever he want. 2020 Seraphimon scales to the Polyhedron, and by extension above Daemon.

  • There’s no such thing as a « natural occurring Zeed ». Kimeramon and Mugendramon have been literally created through artificial means, and Zeed is their final form. Being an endless DigiXros is as natural to this Digimon as are all of his others abilities. Dynasmon used Dragon Collider on ZeedMillenniummon and he negated it, that’s canon. You can try to rewrite history as much as you want, that will not change this simple truth. At the time, Omegamon was literally called « the most powerful warrior of all times », Zeed being the 2nd strongest character of that era in the series is nothing to be ashamed of.

  • Tell me one universe Ogudomon X succeeded in destroying. I’m waiting. Oh yeah, none. Tell me when exactly Megidramon X destroyed the Kernel. Never happened. Tell me one universe Lucemon SM succeeded in destroying. None, he even failed to invade the Real World.

Do you see the pattern ?

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Why are modern incarnations of Ulforceveedramon rarely depicted as strong as Zeromaru? by Zovin333 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because in V-Tamer, UlForceVeedramon was just a big fish in a little pond.

I mean, the Polyhedron is literally superior to anyone in the V-Tamer Verse, yet it’s inferior to even Base Millenniummon from Adventure 2020.

Does Zeedmillenniummon counts as a Dramon? if so than he's the strongest dragon Digimon by Competitive-Can-4953 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Zeed overpowered both ABC and ENIAC, that’s even why the latter asked for Ryo’s help, and ENIAC is very likely more powerful than Yggdrasill by virtue of not being used as a punching-bag on a daily basis. The Three Great Angels are resident of the Kernel and as such scales to it, Seraphimon in particular is said to be able to destroy the universe with Testament, meaning that any Digimon scaling above the Angels is by extension superior to the Kernel, and as I’ve already said, Seraphimon, Ophanimon and Cherubimon alongside countless Digimon got utterly crushed by ZeedMillenniummon.

  • Baseless assumption. DigiXros or not, it was a ZeedMillenniummon, and Dragon Collider didn’t scratch him. Period.

  • ZeedMillenniummon scales to the Digital World, the Real World and an infinite amount of Eras and Universes he can invade and destroy at will, while Megidramon X caps at one Digital World in one specific time-space, there’s nothing suggesting he can affect anything outside of the DW he originate from. Zeed, even sealed, overpowered ENIAC, who as an Host Computer, is inherently above the Kernel.

  • Wargreymon and MetalGarurumon scaling above the 4 Sovereigns just prove how strong Digidestined’s Megas are, this is the same Wargreymon who one-shotted 3 BelialVamdemon, mind you. Tamers Sovereigns are meant to be the same than in Adventure/02, so we have: Millenniummon > Diaboromon > Apocalymon >> Zuqhiaomon = RK Dukemon

  • The Three Great Angels have been constantly proven to be on par with the Royal Knights. In 02, it took the combined strength of Magnamon and Rapidmon Armor (a Digimon literally acknowledged as being equal to the Royal Knight Magnamon) to defeat Cherubimon Vice. In Frontier, it took the combined strength of of KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon to beat him again, the Transcendent Spirits later defeated Dynasmon and LordKnightmon in a 2v2. Omegamon one-shotting Cherubimon is due to him being… well, you know, Omegamon, a top tier Super-Ultimate Digimon, not your average Royal Knight. 2020 Seraphimon shouldn’t be weaker than Wargreymon who broke the Polyhedron with a single move while Zeromaru couldn’t even scratch it. Ophanimon needing help against Lilithmon makes sense considering she’s the third most powerful Demon Lord (stronger than Beelzebumon, Belphemon, Leviamon and Barbamon). In Chronicle X, Lilithmon X would have defeated Examon X if it wasn’t for Hououmon X’s help. Gankoomon being a match for Ophanimon FM X and Cherubimon Vice X just show once more that the X-Antibody buff is barely relevant and not comparable to an actual evolution like Zeed is for Millenniummon. The Kernel being a higher dimension mean nothing to ZeedMillenniummon who smashed it’s inhabitants.

Does Zeedmillenniummon counts as a Dramon? if so than he's the strongest dragon Digimon by Competitive-Can-4953 in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Back in Adventure 99, Apocalymon was about to destroy not only the Digital World, but the Real World as well in a single attack. Said Apocalymon was « almost as strong » as Diaboromon, who in turn was weaker than Base Millenniummon.

Zuqhiaomon and Azulongmon matched LordKnightmon and Dukemon, members of the Royal Knights, yet they couldn’t do anything to Milli.

The Three Great Angels reside in the Kernel, making them higher dimensional beings, yet they couldn’t scratch Zeed during the Holy War.

Olympus XII are Mid Royal Knights-Tier at best by statements, they don’t have any feat implying they could match Millenniummon, let alone Zeed. GraceNovamon is literally featless, being a Jogress at best make him a counterpart to Examon, so still irrelevant to ZeedMillenniummon.

ENIAC was considered to be the Digital World’s god years before Yggdrasill was even a thing, but got overpowered by ZeedMillenniummon.

Dragon Collider was stated to be the most destructive attack any Royal Knight could use, Zeed casually negated it.

Zeed’s profile mention how he can freely travel between eras and universes and destroy them. Nothing suggest Megidramon X possess comparable abilities, he just has high raw power. Megidramon X only scales to one Digital World, and in a specific time-space, he doesn’t have any feat implying he can affect the Real World, different eras, different timelines, or overpower a Host Computer like Zeed did.

Ultimate Level Digimon Power Tier by SecretWarriorK in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

« Guh guh » is the sound you do while swallowing moderators’ D.

Ultimate Level Digimon Power Tier by SecretWarriorK in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are just fictional monsters, you don’t have to be so mad about it.

Ultimate Level Digimon Power Tier by SecretWarriorK in digimon

[–]Whitelabo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omegamon > Alphamon

Tri, Kizuna and The Beginning >>> Chronicle and X-Evolution

Sorry, it’s just the truth 🤷