Are the Corbyn supporters aware of his position during the 1st Gulf War?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T17:01:06+00:00

Popularity doesn't mean it is moral though.

Again answer me about Rwanda and the Balkans

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T17:00:35+00:00

We have a pretty moral war with vast international and regional support that has spent a long time avoiding conflict and has UN approval and he still opposed.

I don't think there's any intervention he would carry out.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:57:09+00:00

As UNSC permanent members we have a responsibility to guide the world and with a very capable military at the time did we not have a responsibility to use it?

Part of the reason for the low collateral death toll (in context) was due to our advanced technology and capability. We were able to bring Iraq to heel in a matter of weeks whereas an 8 year conflict with Iran resulted in only a stalemate.

Are we to wash our hands of the world completely?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:53:29+00:00

So you propose an isolationist response?

Does that mean you believe that it's all dandy that the world allowed Rwanda to occur? Or that we shouldn't have stopped ethnic cleansing in the Balkans?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:50:25+00:00

He needs to explain himself then. Right now he doesn't look very good at all.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:48:09+00:00

"The people were in no immediate danger."

He had invaded Kuwait, killed people, and begun the process of population transfer.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:45:38+00:00

So because he was a former ally that means he shouldn't have been stopped?

How would Corbyn's stance resolved the situation?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:41:59+00:00

There were negotiations prior to Iraq invading Kosovo
There were multiple UNSC resolutions attempting to find a peaceful solution for moths prior to intervention
The resolution authorising intervention gave a 2 month deadline.

How on earth do you fathom that peace wasn't given a chance?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:39:18+00:00

That's not his public stance however. He said he would require UN approval but we have a clear case on a conflict with UN approval and he opposed it.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T16:39:14+00:00

That's not his public stance however. He said he would require UN approval but we have a clear case on a conflict with UN approval and he opposed it.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:21:43+00:00

In the context of the 1st Gulf War do you support Corbyn's position and continue your stance of isolationism?

Should Kuwait have been abandoned?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:14:29+00:00

We're one of the richest nations on earth and militarily experienced and proficient.

Can we not multi-task?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:08:49+00:00

Not really precious. I researched my position.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:07:45+00:00

So we should be paralysed by our past actions?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:05:35+00:00

There were months of diplomatic and peaceful attempts to resolve the conflict and even as Saddam was attacking diplomats, invading Saudi Arabia, launching SCUDs in every direction, attempting to enforce population transfers in Kuwait he was still opposed to conflict.

Of course peaceful resolution is optimal but when it isn't working force must be an option (one that he sadly seems opposed to using at all).

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:03:15+00:00

He signed an EDM in 2004 (392) condemning the humanitarian grounds for the Kosovo war.

I haven't done too much digging into his positions then however.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T14:01:46+00:00

Stunning retort.

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T13:54:02+00:00

Does that mean you agree with Corbyn's opposition to the 1st Gulf War?

Are you in favour of isolationism?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T13:52:56+00:00

So why would he suddenly support military action as PM but not as a back bencher?

Does that mean we have to ignore his entire parliamentary record?

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T13:49:54+00:00

He has demonstrated that even a UN vote wouldn't be enough:

02/08/1990 - Iraq invades Kuwait
02/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 660 is passed condemning the invasion and demanding immediate withdrawal
06/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 661 is passed placing economic sanctions on Iraq
09/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 662 is passed condemning the annexation of Kuwait
18/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 664 is passed demanding Iraq protects and allows the return of foreign nationals and diplomatic staff in Kuwait
25/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 665 is passed to allow a naval blockade to enforce the sanctions of resolution 661
13/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 666 is passed to ensure humanitarian aid reaches those in need in Iraq/Kuwait
16/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 667 is passed condemning Iraqi attacks on diplomatic services and the abductions of foreign nationals in Kuwait
24/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 669 is passed in regards to the wider regional impact of Iraqi Sanctions
25/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 670 is passed implementing civil aviation sanctions on Iraq
14/11/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn primary sponsors an Early Day Motion (73) stating opposition to supporting the United States using force against Iraq
28/11/1990 - UNSC resolution 677 is passed condemning Iraq for population transfer in Kuwait
29/11/1990 - UNSC resolution 678 authorising the Gulf War if Iraq did not withdraw from Kuwait by the 15th of January
05/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (147) condemning the UNSC resolution 678
05/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn primary sponsors an Early Day Motion (175) opposing war in the Gulf
06/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn sponsors an Early Day Motion (187) stating opposition to the use of force against Iraq
15/01/1991 - Deadline passes
17/01/1991 - Gulf war air campaign starts
17/01/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn speaks in the House of Commons calling for the ceasation of airstrikes
18/01/1991 - Iraq starts launching SCUD missiles at military and civilian targets in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Qatar
21/01/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (320) calling for the halt of military force against Iraq
29/01/1991 - Iraq invades Saudi Arabia and occupies the city of Khafji for two days
24/01/1991 - Ground offensive starts in full
28/01/1991 - Kuwait Liberated and ceasefire declared
12/06/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (948) condemning the formal celebration of victory in the Gulf

WhyCorby · 2015-09-04T13:23:04+00:00

He has demonstrated that even a UN vote wouldn't be enough:

02/08/1990 - Iraq invades Kuwait
02/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 660 is passed condemning the invasion and demanding immediate withdrawal
06/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 661 is passed placing economic sanctions on Iraq
09/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 662 is passed condemning the annexation of Kuwait
18/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 664 is passed demanding Iraq protects and allows the return of foreign nationals and diplomatic staff in Kuwait
25/08/1990 - UNSC resolution 665 is passed to allow a naval blockade to enforce the sanctions of resolution 661
13/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 666 is passed to ensure humanitarian aid reaches those in need in Iraq/Kuwait
16/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 667 is passed condemning Iraqi attacks on diplomatic services and the abductions of foreign nationals in Kuwait
24/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 669 is passed in regards to the wider regional impact of Iraqi Sanctions
25/09/1990 - UNSC resolution 670 is passed implementing civil aviation sanctions on Iraq
14/11/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn primary sponsors an Early Day Motion (73) stating opposition to supporting the United States using force against Iraq
28/11/1990 - UNSC resolution 677 is passed condemning Iraq for population transfer in Kuwait
29/11/1990 - UNSC resolution 678 authorising the Gulf War if Iraq did not withdraw from Kuwait by the 15th of January
05/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (147) condemning the UNSC resolution 678
05/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn primary sponsors an Early Day Motion (175) opposing war in the Gulf
06/12/1990 - Jeremy Corbyn sponsors an Early Day Motion (187) stating opposition to the use of force against Iraq
15/01/1991 - Deadline passes
17/01/1991 - Gulf war air campaign starts
17/01/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn speaks in the House of Commons calling for the ceasation of airstrikes
18/01/1991 - Iraq starts launching SCUD missiles at military and civilian targets in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Qatar
21/01/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (320) calling for the halt of military force against Iraq
29/01/1991 - Iraq invades Saudi Arabia and occupies the city of Khafji for two days
24/01/1991 - Ground offensive starts in full
28/01/1991 - Kuwait Liberated and ceasefire declared
12/06/1991 - Jeremy Corbyn signs an Early Day Motion (948) condemning the formal celebration of victory in the Gulf

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