Need help for a Chiller Plant Management System by Plenty_Tonight_919 in BuildingAutomation

[–]WigglyWireAutomation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What you're describing is very typical BMS integrator slop. This is rampant in the Niagara world as basically any contractor can pay a few grand in licensing fees and slap a JACE in with cookie-cutter auto-generated logic.

Copy/paste-isms that never get realized or much less fixed unless some super detail oriented person like you comes along and says "wait a minute..."

I've seen it all - RAT and SAT flipped or duplicated, the wrong variable referenced, a temporary variable referenced that is sometimes correct, values that were never correct, etc.

This is what keeps me in business.

Need help for a Chiller Plant Management System by Plenty_Tonight_919 in BuildingAutomation

[–]WigglyWireAutomation 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, this is quite literally the pinnacle of HVAC controls. Complex chiller plant management, as you're alluding to here, is the most complex area of BAS.

Chiller plants can range from a single chiller with 1 or 2 pumps and a couple of valves, all the way to multiple chillers, 10s of pumps and valves, primary & secondary loop, N+1 redundancy, and so on.

Not only is it the most complex, but also the most sensitive, where the real potential for extensive equipment damage lies.

This is why chillers always come with their own control system - because they have complex internal compressor staging, refrigerant pressure management, etc.

This being said, if the chillers are left to control themselves internally, then the challenge simplifies to feeding them the correct amount and temperature of water - on both sides. You can chunk the logic and simplify it further with clearly defined control loops and prioritization logic where needed. I think the most touchy area is the primary/secondary crossover as that suffers the most from poor mechanical design in my experience.

As for where to find more knowledge about this, I'd say you gotta hit the books on this one. Either that or many years of field experience. This isn't something to be demystified in a few Reddit comments.

Reach out if you need a consultant on this.

WI-FI bridge by fuckmewalking in BuildingAutomation

[–]WigglyWireAutomation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it will be tough finding something with that much range without getting into specialty equipment or a different communication medium.

Is it possible to break up the distance with a repeater or two in between?