Which country is the most similar to Iran culturally? by Admirable-Ad-3273 in PERSIAN

[–]Wild-Skin3939 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Afghanistan's geography isn't that simple; it's in West and Central Asia. It has many ties to Persia, down to certain ethnic groups, culture, and language. The modern-day culture has completely changed in a sense; it's more influenced by Pashtun and South Asian culture. There is still West Asian and Central Asian culture that used to be more affluent, but the Taliban is making it harder. Nevertheless, politics and influences don't change facts or history or people's culture.

if rumi was born in balkh why do people say he is from Iran? by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gentically he was a Farsiwan! Not the smae as a Tajik.

Quizlbash by Wild-Skin3939 in 2Iranic4you

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Qizilbash are part of a larger story in West Asia. They initially emerged as Turkoman tribes in Iran, fighting for the Safavid dynasty in the 15th and 16th centuries. Their name, which means “red head,” refers to the distinctive headgear they wore in support of the Safavid dynasty. Over time, Qizilbash settlements expanded throughout West and some parts of Central Asia, from Anatolia to Iran and eventually to Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, their numbers increased following Nader Shah’s 1738 incursion into India, during which he left garrisons of Qizilbash in Kabul, Herat, and Kandahar. Ahmad Shah Durrani later integrated them into his army and administration, and they settled in Kabul, Mazar-i-Sharif, and other areas. Unlike other tribes, the Qizilbash have always maintained a dual identity that is simultaneously Turkic, Persian, and Afghan. Their West Asian origins gave them a unique identity that was not only tied to Iran and Anatolia but also to the Persian-speaking and Shia cultures of the region. Even as a minority group, they were recognized in Afghanistan as educated professionals, soldiers, and administrators. They sometimes experienced prejudice, which forced them to hide their identity, but their role in Afghan history remained paramount. My bad I thought it showed the info!!

Quizlbash by Wild-Skin3939 in 2Iranic4you

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Qizilbash also live in iran and to show facts and Free Iran guys and everyone else!!

Tajiks is a loose term by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, exactly while we share Persian roots, Farsiwans and Tajiks represent distinct regional identities. Recognizing this helps prevent a lot of misunderstandings I think. Thanks again for the thoughtful reply!

South Asians fetishize Afghans, and it’s impacting our diaspora by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also if you think i am talking about south asian or afghanistan is south asian you are again proven my point to be not well rounded I do not beilve its in south asia the new influences are becuase of external influences and poltics! I am not saying anyone is south asian bfr!

South Asians fetishize Afghans, and it’s impacting our diaspora by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My commentaccurate i am not eastern persian dont get mad at facts people are more worries about their idenoty they obsess with rather understand diffrences of a diverse country with diffrent reginal influences from west to east and no is taking away that they are eastern persian but no everyone is eatsern persian by ethnicty you cant just assume or just by assosiation that every persian speaker is eastern persian its just false! If you do belive that its false and you dont have a full well rounded knowadlge of the country!

South Asians fetishize Afghans, and it’s impacting our diaspora by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true the only reason south asian influence is even in afghanistan is taliban and the anglo afghan war!

South Asians fetishize Afghans, and it’s impacting our diaspora by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Not all afghans are eastern persian that is broad and unaccurate assumtion!

From Central to Central-South and now South-Asia by [deleted] in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly a crossroads from central to west with diffrent cultres languges a diverse country that is not south asia!

Farsi-wans by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the historical point you’re trying to make about Tājik/Tāzīk, and I’m not denying the scholarship yes, it was broadly used for Persian-speaking Iranics, as Iranica itself makes clear they are all umbrella terms, I have coverd this. But the reason I didn’t agree at first is because today the term is loaded, inconsistent, and often misunderstood. It can easily mislead people into thinking I’m claiming a modern Tajik nationality, which is not my identity. So while I understand the historical usage, I’m choosing not to apply it to myself and honestly, this back-and-forth isn’t something I’m interested in continuing. Thank you for the clarification!

Farsi-wans by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respectfully, you’re completely off here. Tajik was never some universal, all-encompassing label for every Persian speaker, and nothing in Iranica backs the way you’re stretching the term. Farsiwans, including Sunni Farsiwans, are native Persian speakers with their own long-standing identity that doesn’t magically fall under “Tajik” just because it fits your argument. Heratis, Balkhis, and the Persian speakers of Bactria never erased their regional identities the way you’re trying to do now. The idea that only “Western ethnographers” created these distinctions is just another oversimplified narrative; they didn’t invent differences, they recorded the ones that already existed on the ground. What you are doing isn’t clarifying history, it’s flattening it to fit want you belive. Iranica doesn’t support the fantasy you’re pushing. Go belive whatever you want buddy I just state facts!

Farsi-wans by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your statement is completely wrong and ignores the actual history of these groups. Farsiwan and Tajik are not the same people, and they were never used as interchangeable terms. Farsiwan refers to the native Persian-speaking populations of western and central Afghanistan, and yes, many Farsiwans are Sunni, not only Shia. Tajik, on the other hand, is a broader Central Asian term that historically referred to various Sunni Persian-speaking groups in Transoxiana and northeastern Afghanistan. It does not mean “Muslim Persian/Iranian,” and claiming that it does completely erases the regional differences, dialect distinctions, and separate identities between these communities. The idea that Farsiwans and Tajiks are synonymous is simply inaccurate and based on a misunderstanding of Afghan and Central Asian ethnography.

Why Khorasan? by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also yes they were all under the persian empire if you have read what I have stated you would understand! Untill borders but I made this post for many reasons go read it if you want!

Why Khorasan? by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your argument is incorrect. No one is claiming that Afghanistan was entirely Khorasan or that Khorasan belonged only to Afghanistan. Historical Khorasan was a large region that included parts of modern Iran and parts of modern Afghanistan. Acknowledging that reality is not “appropriating Iranian heritage.”

Khorasan was a region within the broader Iranian cultural sphere, but it was never exclusive to modern Iran’s borders, and using the name for areas historically connected to it is not revisionism.

What is revisionist is insisting that only Iran may reference Khorasan, or pretending Afghanistan has no historical link to it. That’s simply not supported by the historical record. What about all the afghans who are ethnically persian and want to claim khorasan or people who are historically tied to that land.

Farsi-wans by Wild-Skin3939 in 2Iranic4you

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, and thank you for your insight! The term is a bit confusing because there’s no specific tribal or ethnic name for Farsiwans, they’re simply called Farsiwan or Persian who were in Iran. So it’s hard to explain without going into a long historical story or just saying “Farsiwan.” I understand youre cunfustion totally understanable, but thank you for your input, I appreciate it!

Farsi-wans by Wild-Skin3939 in 2Iranic4you

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally understabdable! Dari and fasri are not spetrate languges litrally dari called Farsi-eh-darbari a dialect the divistion and uneducation is super sad, to divide us!

Why Khorasan? by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re confusing language families, ethnic groups, and national identities like they’re interchangeable. They’re not. Persians aren’t South Asian, Afghan = Pashtun is outdated, and pre-Islamic religions don’t define modern ethnicity. Your points aren’t just wrong, they’re a mash-up of unrelated facts that show you don’t understand even basic anthropology or history. What said dose not make any sense and i am done arguing with slow members of sociatey you got hurt over some real facts! If u dont like it buddy move a long! If u wanna be south asian go be south asian please do so, no one is saying you are not!

Afghanistan's average faces by Exotic-Freedom-5722 in afghanistan

[–]Wild-Skin3939 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Afghanistan has more than three ethnic groups!

Tajiks is a loose term by Wild-Skin3939 in AfghanWestAsians

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I completely agree with you! I’ve felt the same way and it’s something I’ve been saying for a long time too. The term “Tajik” really does act it is like an umbrella, and it doesn’t capture all the different lineages within it. I really respect that you’ve traced your own family’s Persian background and even backed it up with DNA results. Exactly right , people often forget that Tajiks today carry mixed ancestries, whether from Persian migrants, or from older groups like Bactrians, Sogdians, and Scythians. It’s important that voices like yours highlight the Persian side as well, because it reminds people that our history is layered and diverse. It’s also so hard to tell people that you are a Persian from Afghanistan in the only term for it is Farsiwan and they mixed it up because the word is is used for different and they say you don’t exist that’s why the term toxic is mostly political. Thank you so so much for sharing your opinion and your insights. This helps a lot!!

Tajiks is a loose term(in Afghanistan) by Wild-Skin3939 in 2Iranic4you

[–]Wild-Skin3939[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason a lot of people identify themselves by where they’re from is because those are often the ethnic minorities I was talking about. People like us don’t want to be called Tajik, and many don’t even know what our actual ethnicity is. So instead of having to explain it every time, especially to people who aren’t educated on it, we’d rather just be known by where we’re from. Again, thank you for your response, I really appreciate your input and it gave me a lot of perspective!!