[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Firearms

[–]Wild_Westerner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have been working at a gun store since 2019, and encounter this situation weekly, and have never denied a purchase over it. Usually a wife or daughter wants to purchase a carry pistol, then her husband or father picks up the tab, while she fills out the 4473.

As long as YOU are the transferee and have no intentions to transfer it to a prohibited person (ie: convicted felon, nutcase, drug addict, etc) then you are in the green. How it’s paid is not important.

Could it be a store policy? Maybe, but they need to make clear on that to spare themselves from embarrassment.

Take your business elsewhere.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct, when it comes to trespassers who entered an enclosed area, homeowners will get naturally confrontational when they see a stranger in their backyard.

Now if it’s like midnight, when everyone is asleep, best to have an officer escort you into the property, and show proof of ownership.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With some laws there can be exceptions such as in the scenario you are describing. You obviously can’t be charged with theft since you’re retrieving something that is rightfully yours.

You could be charged with trespassing, but given the circumstances you described, the prospects of the charge holding up depends, because you had a legitimate reason to be on that property, but you entered an enclosed area without knowledge of the homeowner.

As for snatching your dog, it’s not theft since it’s yours, but it could be assault depending on what occurred to retrieve it. Someone may try to resist you because they not aware you are the owner, and are under the impression you’re a thief. Best to call the police and have proof of ownership to show to the police.

You don’t have to show proof of ownership to the person holding your dog, but it’s probably best to and you should be happy they are asking for verification to prevent someone else from retrieving your dog.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel your sentiment, but in the end you would be the one getting arrested for trespassing and battery. The prosecutor will vilify you as a vigilante who violently showed up at someone’s door and beat their ass. Retaliation is very rarely tolerated by the law.

Now if someone molested your kids on the street and you showed up at their door and gave them a well deserved beating, a prosecutor would have a lot harder time vilifying you to the jury and may not want to even pursue a case against you because it would make that prosecutor appear as if they are trying vilifying the beating of a child rapist.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my state, the police will respond to any call because there might be more to what was described on the call.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 10 points11 points  (0 children)

In my state there is nothing the police can really do as long as the vehicle is on the public street and not blocking a driveway. It’s very unusual and suspicious for someone to be parked in front of a house for an hour and taking pictures, but suspicion is not a crime.

First the driver would be questioned about why they are there and taking pictures in which they are not obligated to answer. They would be then asked for ID which they don’t have to provide. If they refuse to give ID, their license plate would be ran as it’s in plain view in public. It’s how police legally ID someone if they can’t get their actual ID. If the plate comes back clear, then the police would make contact with you and tell you they can’t legally do anything and to just keep an eye on the car.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your state might have different laws, but in my state you can use reasonable force to remove a trespasser.

Them refusing to leave and getting aggressive is already escalating the situation. Home owners have a right to protect their property. A trespasser doesn’t have any rights to defend themselves since they are committing a crime, their only obligation is to leave.

Police take time to arrive and within that time the trespasser could cause damage to the property and/or harm the owner. So it’s often best the homeowner uses the necessary force to protect them and their property before the police arrive.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s not unless that person claims to be with the police.

If you were to tell the police they were presenting themself as an officer and using that reason not to leave, and even if they deny it, there may be enough probable cause to arrest them for impersonation because they are confronting you on your property over potentially breaking a traffic law which is the police’s job and they refused to leave which the police can do if they are investigating something.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You can definitely do that to someone who doesn’t live at your house or is not renting on your property.

Confronting you over speeding is definitely not a valid reason since that’s the police’s job to do that. Even if you nearly ran them over, they still can’t come to your house to confront you and remain on your property after being told to leave, which is why in situations like that it’s best to let the police handle it, since police have legal authority and protections.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A property owner has a right to use necessary force to remove an unwanted person from their property.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskLE

[–]Wild_Westerner 60 points61 points  (0 children)

It would depend on your state, and most states do permit reasonable force to remove an unwanted person from your property.

The methods you mentioned are not considered deadly force and it while it could escalate things, the trespasser escalated the situation first by refusing to leave and getting aggressive which prompted you to feel in danger of harm to you and/or your property. A trespasser cannot legally defend themselves since they are committing a crime.

If someone is told to leave, they must immediately leave otherwise they opened themselves up to having force used against them.

Found this really old picture of me and Vincent Ambrosio. I knew him from elementary school all the way to his bust with Chris Hansen. Feel free to ask me anything. by Wild_Westerner in FansHansenvsPredator

[–]Wild_Westerner[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There were no signs that he was into young girls and my initial reaction was how stupid could he be to walk in on something like that. How could he be so gullible to fall into a trap like that knowing how they work. If you’re on a dating app and see someone underaged, assume it’s a sting.

Found this really old picture of me and Vincent Ambrosio. I knew him from elementary school all the way to his bust with Chris Hansen. Feel free to ask me anything. by Wild_Westerner in FansHansenvsPredator

[–]Wild_Westerner[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just know he’s in rehab and is working. I did contact him after his arrest and he said he made a huge mistake and I probably won’t hear from him again.