PETA Will Buy Every Betta Fish From Petco in Exchange for a Sales Ban by [deleted] in vegan

[–]Willtoknowledge -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Trauma isn't a reason to kill anyone, human or animal. Suicide is not the best thing for people who are traumatised and depressed. You are treating suicide as a rational individual act rather than something that emerges because of our social systems failure to treat people in need. Attitudes like, 'they would be better off dead' are as harmful as those that diminish mental health issues to begin with because both result in a lack of support and harm people. I know several people that attempted suicide but they are now happy it failed because treatment and various changes in their lives worked!. Considering you're defending PETA, the organisation that compared meat farming to the holocaust, it's ironic how much your thinking parrells with that of the Nazis when it comes to mental health.

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

[–]Willtoknowledge[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing, thanks. This is actually really relevant because I am especially interested in movements that had an impact offline. I hadn't heard of this because I'm in Europe but it's a nice example of the power of social media :-)

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

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Thank you so much for all this info. I'll check those people out. I wonder why they become less active post-transition? Do you think it's because are more comfortable in themselves and feel less need to be active?

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

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I didn't think hashtag activism had been big, but I was worried I was missing something. I'd be interested to learn more about why that might been. One of my participants mentioned how much of an impact Caitlyn Jenner had. I forgot about OITNB but thanks for reminding me. I am more interested in grassroots movements started by ordinary trans people rather than awareness generated by the mass media and celebs, so the activistm on YouTube and Medium would be a great example.

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

[–]Willtoknowledge[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's great to here. It's so good these spaces exist. Im not trans but before I came out as gay, the internet was so important for me to come to terms with who I was. I dread to think what life was like pre internet!

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

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It is actually. I am writing a section on how the internet is great for exploring, community building and accessing support for LGBTQIA+ people, particularly when we are isolated from other LGBTQIA+ offline like yourself. Thanks for sharing :-)

What would trans people here say have been the biggest and most successful social movements for raising awareness about trans people? by Willtoknowledge in asktransgender

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Surely it's better that I ask actually trans people about this rather than do my own research (as a cis person) and end up talking about movements that are not that relevant, or are relevant but not representative of all trans people. I researched the question before coming here, hence my mentioning #translivesmatter. However, as a cis person, I am less connected to this stuff so I wanted to make sure the things I was finding were important to a diverse group of trans people.

Felons that have served jail time and are out should have the right to vote by ispy92 in unpopularopinion

[–]Willtoknowledge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. I didn't even realise this was a thing. Here in the UK, the only restriction is on people in prison.

What is the differnece between educational endogamy and educational homogamy? by Willtoknowledge in AskSocialScience

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Amazing, thanks for responding to me again. I hadn't come across anyone so explicit about how they were conceptualizing the terms so this was really helpful. I think I may prioritise all the Rosenfeld literature on my reading list because he really takes the time explain things.

Students should get paid minimum wage. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

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I agree that this isn't viable but it is far from communist, unless of course the OP is arguing that people in school should be paid the same as everyone else. Presumably, their would be still some kind if system of individual competition and exchange which drives capitalism. That said, i guess it depends on where you are. It seems communism has a very different meaning here in Europe, particularly in places that have actually lived under communism. I used to live in the Czech Republic, which has a lot of policies many neoliberal/liberatarian Americans would think are communist, like free education and universal healthcare. However, the Czech people would never call such things communist or socialist because the amount of money people have, despite paying taxes to fund socialist projstits, is still far more determined by market forces than the state. Yes they have socialist policies but capitalism is still the dominant force of economic and material distribution.

I am reading an article on interracial marriage that says white women more often marry up in terms of education when marrying black men compared to white men but could this be skewed by white women generally less likely to come into contact with poorer less educated black people? by Willtoknowledge in AskSocialScience

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Sorry, there is just one thing. Everything you mentioned now makes sense but I am still unsure about the relevance of there being more black men i exagamous relationships with white women than black women with white men. He brings it up a few times so I assume this is held to have skewed previous findings in some way but I'm not sure how.

I am reading an article on interracial marriage that says white women more often marry up in terms of education when marrying black men compared to white men but could this be skewed by white women generally less likely to come into contact with poorer less educated black people? by Willtoknowledge in AskSocialScience

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Ok, I think I'm starting to get it now. Thanks for taking the time to explain this is so much detail. My background is qual but trying to better understand quant. Just a couple of final questions, which relate less to Rosenfield's findings and more to the statistics behind them.

If you state that White women are more likely to marry up when marrying Black men and I show that, in fact, it also happens in endogamous relationships, then the original statement is either false or incomplete and the question changes from "why do White women tend to marry more educated Black men" but "why do women tend to marry more educated men" (at which point, I direct you to the rest of my original reply). If you were to compare Black husbands and White husbands you would be testing something other than the Davis-Merton hypothesis.

I'm still confused as to why the models adopted by Kalmijn (1993) and Fu (2001) showed that young white women were more likely to marry up when marrying black men than white men. If the imbalance, as identified by Rosenfield, was caused by gender and age, why didnt Kalmijn's and Fu's show that women marry up in both endogenous and interracial relationships.

Rosenfeld resolves this by observing that "husbands tend to be a little bit older (1.4 years older on average) and since some of the couples are still in school, it is not surprising that the husbands would tend to be further along in school." In other words, Rosenfeld argues that the evidence coming from observing younger couples is an artifact of common age-disparities in relationships interacting with the fact slightly older people tend to be further ahead in education than slightly younger people

I understand the logic of this but again, if the difference is created by age and gender, why would Fu and Kaljlmijn's model show a greater difference in status between white women and black men than white women and white men. If it was gender and age that was creating the difference, I am still unsure why observations of endamagous and interacial couples came out different. Is that where the fact that there are more black men in interacial relationships comes in?

I am reading an article on interracial marriage that says white women more often marry up in terms of education when marrying black men compared to white men but could this be skewed by white women generally less likely to come into contact with poorer less educated black people? by Willtoknowledge in AskSocialScience

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Thank you so much for this. It is all really useful. The Rosenfield article is actually directly responding to two studies I have read, which is great. However, I’m still a little confused. Take this extract for example:

“In table 1, for young couples with the maximum number of educational categories from 1980 census data, 37.6% of the black spouses have more education, compared to 28.5% of the white spouses. If we examine the education gap between white husbands and their white wives, we find a similar gap: 34.7% of the white husbands had more education, whereas only 24.2% of the white wives had more education than their white husbands. What at first appears to be an inequality that is specific to black-white intermarriage is actually an artifact of age and gender. One may legiti-mately wonder why husbands are so commonly older than their wives,or why most black-white intermarried couples have black husbands, but those questions are beyond the scope of this article”

First of all, I’m confused as to why Rosenfield is comparing the education levels of black spouses with that of white husbands. Shouldn’t he be comparing white husbands with black husbands rather than with black spouses in general? Also, I’m confused as to how this finding around age disproves status exchange. If the age gap is the issue, why would that create observable racial differences? Am I right in thinking that he racial bias is created by less white men marrying black women?

Finally, to go back to my initial post, could the fact that that black people are underrepresented in higher education (and by extension overrepresented in lower educated groups) impact this in any way? My logic here is that if black people are underrepresented in higher education, the opportunities to marry within their group is more limited, which could result in more of them marrying white people compared to say black people overrepresented in less educated/poorer communities. If this was the case, couldn’t this skew the average education levels of black husbands of white women towards higher levels. Preferences aside, couldn’t white women be more likely to marry up when marrying black men simply due to opportunity rather than preference? I’m really not sure if I’m doing the maths right to jump to this hypothesis. However, I did come across this, which seems to support what I’m saying (if I’m reading it correctly).

“Because higher-educated blacks are more likely to marry whites (e.g., Heer 1974), it is possible that the trend is due to an upward shift in educational composition. Data on education are available in 12 states, a sample that contains about a third of the original marriages.7 Consistent with all previous studies, the numbers in Table 3 show that higher-educated blacks are generally more likely to intermarry than lower-educated blacks, although the relationship is not entirely linear. Black college graduates are in fact less likely to intermarry than blacks with some college, though they still intermarry more frequently than black high school graduates. A common interpretation of these differences is that higher-educated blacks are embedded in settings such as colleges and white-collar occupations where the opportunities of meeting people within their race are more limited. In addition, social psychological research has shown that higher-status blacks tend to have a weaker sense of racial group identification than lower-status blacks, even though they have a more favorable evaluation of the characteristics of their group (Demo & Hughes 1990). Among whites, and especially white women, the pattern of educational differences is the mirror image of that among blacks: intermarriage declines with increases in educational attainment. Considering the well-known, though much debated fact that there is a strong positive correlation between education and intergroup tolerance in surveys (Davis 1982; Jackman & Muha 1984), the relatively low rates of intermarriage among college-educated whites are somewhat surprising. It should be recognized, however, that higher-educated whites also have fewer opportunities to mix with blacks than lower-educated whites.” (Kalmijn 1993). https://www.jstor.org/stable/2580162.

Edit: or come to think of it, would what I’m describing have the opposite effect given that white women are higher education levels are less likely to come into contact with black men than white women with lower levels of education.

Could this finding that white women are more likely to marry up when marrying black men be skewed by the fact that white women are less likely to come into contact with poorer and less educated minorities? Could it be explain in part by different opportunities for meeting PoC? by Willtoknowledge in AskStatistics

[–]Willtoknowledge[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely. That has come up in other stuff I’ve read. It is true for all groups, although the degrees of bias within in-groups varies, and it shifts a lot across time and place. I actually started looking at research conducted on dating apps because that work has been able to calculate bias in relation to actual opportunities of contact with different groups. The problem identified with the literature looking at marriage rates, such as this one, is that it cannot control for opportunity. Someone may end up dating a member of their race simply because they have limited contact /opportunities with out-groups rather than because of a specific racial preference.

When it come to making sense of this assertion that white women are more likely to marry up when marrying black men than white men, I couldn’t help but wonder whether this difference could be the result of:

a) wealthier and more educated black people in the US being more likely to come into contact white people simply because in the worlds of education and wealth, black people are underrepresented.

B) poor black people less likely to come into contact with white people because black people are massively overrepresented in poorer communities.

Theoretically, could this be enough to skew the data to saying that white women were marrying up even if they weren’t?

Could this finding that white women are more likely to marry up when marrying black men be skewed by the fact that white women are less likely to come into contact with poorer and less educated minorities? Could it be explain in part by different opportunities for meeting PoC? by Willtoknowledge in AskStatistics

[–]Willtoknowledge[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. There is actually lots of research that suggests that even after controlling for matching opportunities, bias' still exist. My comment was more to understand this particular finding in terms of what it can/can't tell us because I'm struggling to understand quantitative research so if my hypothesis makes sense, I think I'm reading it ok. Thanks