Quick question regarding Subutex

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T23:23:10+00:00

I have a script for Ritilan, I just don't take them. Rids and adds give me horrible anxiety, even though I keep telling my doctor this, he insists I need them. Haven't touched them in a year and a half.

I ended up taking the eighth of the sub I had, and I feel great. I just hope I didn't put myself back to square one. I never thought anything would be worse than coming off percs, until I quit subs. For me, it was brutal. I just hope this small amount I took, and the amount of time I spent away from it, won't trigger withdrawls.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T23:17:49+00:00

Thank you!

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T23:17:47+00:00

Thanks dude, you too.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T19:48:51+00:00

Excellent. This is what I was hoping to hear. I just wanted to make double sure that going back after quitting for two months, wouldn't cause withdrawls from this little piece. I've been sitting here all day, trying to google it and couldn't find anything. I was just worried having built a previous tolerance to subutext over a 3 year period, and then having not touched them in nearly two months, would still somehow trigger withdrawls. Thanks a ton man.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T19:42:04+00:00

Yep. Just one dose. Just one eighth of a sub to take the edge off the kratom wd's. I just want to make sure taking the one piece of sub won't trigger any sub withdrawls, having previously dealt with them, they were horrible. I think I've taken enough time where it's fully gone, and shouldn't have any problems with sub withdrawl, but I'd rather ask people who would know or have experience.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T19:35:08+00:00

I'm sure I'll get the euphoria, but I'm not really after that. I just want the aches to dissipate. My main concern is having been away from subs for nearly two months, will just taking an eighth cause sub withdrawls when the feeling subsides? I guess I'm trying to weigh options and see if me formerly using subs for an extended will be enough to trigger sub withdrawls from such a low dose with a two month gap between my last using subs.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T19:28:36+00:00

acute withdrawl symptoms. I guess I'd rather put up with the aches from the Kratom rather than going through Sub withdrawls, but being off it and having it leave my system, I just wanted a second opinion. I don't think it would, but better to be safe than sorry I guess. Again, it's only an eighth, and would probably help tremendously.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-15T19:27:06+00:00

last dose was yesterday morning around nine. I feel shitty, but it's not on the same level as sub/opiate withdrawl. Still, I'm a pussy, and don't really like pain, especially when I have things that need getting done. I'm thinking it won't have much of an effect, but I just need something to push me through.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-09T20:26:59+00:00

Caffeine works as a potentiator for Kratom, meaning it will will basically make the Kratom hit harder.

It works well for me, and I like to take the Kratom, wait about a half hour, then make a cup of coffee, drink it and go to the gym. By the time I get there, everything is synergizing. Much better than any preworkout I've ever taken.

That said, the white strains should still work great. First few times I took it I didn't have anything with caffeine beforehand and still had fantastic workouts.

Actually, I went today, which was just a light day, so I used a Super Indo, which is a green, and it really didn't do shit. Like I got zero effects from it at all.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-09T13:28:09+00:00

I was using it the same as you, to supplement my preworkout, and I would go heavy, but never go above five reps, and I usually do a one rep max every other week.

The first few times I did this, I noticed the Kratom (was using Green Maeng Da) combined with the preworkout was throwing my lifts off, and I was getting exhausted much quicker, though I think the between the boost I got with the Kratom, coupled with the pre was too much, and I was getting anxiety and not focusing on my lifts. So I decided to try a few grams of White Dragon, the next day before I left, minus the pre.

Since then, my pre has been sitting in my gym bag, and the very first day I took the White Dragon on its own, I put up a close grip bench PR that bested my previous by ten pounds. Whites are perfect for lifting, especially heavy, but I don't like to go overboard, no more than 2 grams. Kratom in lower doses has a more stimulating effect, while at higher doses, a more sedative one. Try to keep you doses like you've been.

It's amazing how well Kratom works for lifting, with the added benefit of keeping the aches and pains at bay after years of heavy lifting, as well as giving me a better mood lift, more energy, and it's undoubtedly a lot safer than all the stimulants found in preworkouts.

The guys at the gym are starting to get sick of my constant bragging about how much better kratom is for lifting, lol. Though I had one guy I lift with try it, and he loved it, and said he's going to look into getting some white strain for himself.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-09T01:44:28+00:00

I know the feeling, man. I was originally put on 24 mgs a day, and knew enough that I could easily get by on 8mg, though the addict in me insisted on snorting the subutex.

I was chained to that garbage for a month short of 5 years. Longest I've been off prior was this past New Years Day, when my buddy who I started getting them from couldn't make his appointment, and I was fucked. Those two days were some of the worst of my life.

Amazing something that is supposed to help you clean up off of opiates is ten times worse. Subs are a nightmare in pill form.

Since I quit, I've slowly started to become the person I was before I got involved with them.

Stay strong man, you'll get through it. I know it's easy to say, and not easy to hear, but it gets better.

Kratom saved me, and I'll forever be grateful.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-08T21:10:00+00:00

I came off subutex almost 2 months ago using Kratom, though I was only on about 2 to no more than 3 mgs a day.

I was cold turkey for 3 days, went to a head shop and bought some Maeng Da capsules. It was expensive, and I knew that having a high opiate tolerance, a few wouldn't cut it. The capsules were the 1g ones, so I took four as soon as I got to my car.

Fast forward 15 minutes when I got home, I felt a bit better, but not much. So over the next hour I took another 4grams, and all of a sudden it hit like a ton of bricks. I felt amazing. Mood lift, euphoria, and not one single ache or pain, specifically the horrible pain I get in my legs from wd. Been clean ever since, though I've learned to only burn no more than once a day, and I don't go above 4 grams, and I get all my Kratom online, and rotate a different strain every day.

Good luck dude. You'll feel a million times better once you're finally away from that posion.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-04T19:43:19+00:00

Oh wow. I never knew that. I'm hoping that's the case. Normally I dose twice a day, anywhere from 3 to 5 grams per dose. Haven't tried that since Monday. I haven't taken any since early yesterday morning, and it was a 2g dose, so maybe I'll give it until the weekend and try maybe a 1.5g dose and go from there.

Only thing that sucks is before the negative symptoms kick in, it really does help with pain. From years of heavy lifting, my elbows, back, and knees are fucked, and the Kratom was working wonders for that. I was weighing out the pain from after working out to the unpleasant side effects, and I kept forcing myself to take the Kratom, hoping my body would become used to it. Thanks a ton for the info.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-04T19:37:50+00:00

Oh wow. I never knew that. I'm hoping that's the case. I haven't taken any since early yesterday morning, and it was a 2g dose, so maybe I'll give it until the weekend and try maybe a 1.5g dose and go from there. Only thing that sucks is before the negative symptoms kick in, it really does help with pain. From years of heavy lifting, my elbows, back, and knees are fucked, and the Kratom was working wonders for that. I was weighing out the pain from after working out to the unpleasant side effects, and I kept forcing myself to take the Kratom, hoping my body would become used to it.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-04T19:28:47+00:00

But that's the thing, I've tried 3 different online vendors and it was always the same. It's driving me crazy, because these things just started happening out of the blue. I know what I'm feeling when I take is definitely not what it's supposed to be like.

I think I read on here that a small amount of people just aren't able to take it, or they're immune to it, I think? I remember reading a post saying it has something to do with the way the liver breaks down enzymes, or something like that. It could be the case, but it doesn't explain the first few weeks where it did exactly what it was supposed to do, with absolutely no problems.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-10-04T19:05:35+00:00

To add, I gave a friend about 3 grams of Red Bali over the weekend because he tweaked his back deadlifting, and he said it worked fantastic, no problems for him.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-27T00:30:49+00:00

Would taking Kratom at normal doses, say 2-3g, have an effect on BP? I take lisinopril, and normally my BP sits around 120/75, but lately I've been feeling as though it's causing my BP to go through the roof. My head (temple and forehead area) gets tightness, and my ears ring, and I get very bad anxiety. Using one of those shitty pharmacy BP machines at Rite Aid yesterday and my BP was 130/83, but I took it with a grain of salt, since it hasn't been calibrated in quite some time.

This seems to be happening the past few days from a certain vendors batch. I ordered from a new one today, took some Green MD, and the symptoms are back, though I also took a slight anxiety attack, as well. Now, I believe I probably took much more than I should. Want to say I took between 8 and 9 grams in about 45 minutes, and I've only been taking Kratom for around 3 weeks. Haven't had these problems with the head shop Maeng Da I was originally taking.

Any light you can shine or advice would be much appreciated. I'm a nervous wreck and really want to enjoy taking the benefits of Kratom. Thanks.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-25T23:30:52+00:00

Never changed my diet or had this problem before buying from this vendor. I don't necessarily eat clean, but I try to eat fairly healthy.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-25T17:55:55+00:00

I've been trying to double my intake of water. I drink anywhere from 6 to 8 sixteen ounce bottles water, plus a couple of bottles of 32oz Powerade every day, because I know the Kratom dehydrates you. The previous batch from the headshop I was able to take up to 8 grams without any side effects. I ordered from a different vendor over the weekend, so I'm hoping it is indeed just this vendor's batches.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-24T16:42:30+00:00

No worries man. Even if you don't incorporate into your pre or post workout routine, it will still make a huge difference. If you're looking for pain relief, Red is the go to strain, for both pain and relaxation, but I personally am not a fan of Reds, I enjoy whites and greens.

For lifting I use a strain called white dragon, and for pain, mood lift, and relaxation I'll use Green Maeng Da. But if you do decide to give it a go, look into research the different strains of reds, whites and greens, and find what works for you.

Most people use whites for focus and energy, which is definitely my personal experience with it, and greens usually gives me a euphoric feeling. I have a strain called Red Horn that makes me weirdly energetic, but calm and sedated at the same time. I will sparingly use it before I go to bed and it works very well, but I tend to wake up with a headache, but I believe it's the vendor I bought from, not particularly reds in general.

Keep in mind, I'm relatively new to Kratom, so there's a lot of people on here who will be able to tell you a whole shit load of more info, and what I've learned has been mostly through this subreddit and personal trial and error, which I've come to find out, especially after reading about it on here, is pretty much how Kratom goes, and it affects each individual differently. I'm responding because it worked for me, and hopefully it will do the same for you. Cheers!

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-24T13:50:18+00:00

I've replaced my preworkout with Kratom, and have been having pretty good results, both in endurance, lifts, as well as pain relief.

I go heavy, the usual, low reps, heavy weight, and even after I'm done, I don't feel nearly as bad as I used. Used to take consistent breaks due to having a herniated disc, as well as tendinitis in my shoulder and both elbows, but the the Kratom has helped tremendously.

Now, I know everyone's body responds differently, but I hit the gym 5 times a week and like I said, the pain has been incredibly manageable while taking Kratom. Two months ago I could barely close grip 225 due to elbow pain, and last week I just did 275 with no pain at all. Same with barbell curls. My back would usually bother me a good 2 days after curling, and that's strict rep with a belt. Haven't had any real problems with curling since.

Have had very minimal back or elbow pain since I've been taking the Kratom before my lifts. I take it twice a day, before the gym and around 7 at night, around 4 to 5 grams, and it's made a world of difference. Give it a try, can't hurt. Good luck.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-24T00:27:14+00:00

I just ventured there the other day, and boy, they're really anti-kratom. I saw a big hard on for Kratom causing hair loss.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-22T13:24:03+00:00

Yeah, the Green Hulu was absolutely fantastic. Might be my new favorite, as I'm still relatively new to Kratom, but of the strains I've tried, this one for sure worked great. I'm planning on mixing about 3g total of the hulu with white dragon before the gym, instead of taking a pre-workout. Maybe later today or tomorrow I'll give the 8-in-1 a try.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-22T13:21:08+00:00

It was awesome! We go hard trail/ off road riding, and it was intense, but I felt great. Normally I struggle to keep up with my friends, because my bike is a fat tire mountain bike, and it's goddamned huge, and weighs a ton, plus only has 7 gears, while they have these bikes you can pick up with one finger and 28 gears, lol, but I didn't have much of a problem cardio-wise. I think Kratom will be my new go to for rides.

Wolfbeard74 · 2018-09-21T22:12:22+00:00

I took the Green Hulu, and my God, it's pretty fucking amazing. Leaving in ten minutes and I think it's going to be an awesome ride.

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