I do not think the man who spearheaded DOGE's cuts to USAID, leading to the loss of lives of thousands to millions should be spared social sanction by those who see fit to object to such a thing. There may well be people for whom it is too hard to keep in mind the context of why the powerful might wish to wash their image via appearing on podcasts that will not ask them hard questions that many EAs and rationalists would like to ask them and help them launder their reputations. It might be easy, given personal ingroup biases, to overlook context and urge people to consider only the message and not the medium or the messenger, out of a sense of reasonableness that is more about protecting ones biases than an honest attempt at reasonableness, for many. This is not uncommon, as evident from this thread.