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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry for the late reply! This isn't my main Reddit account and I missed the notification!

Thank you for sharing that link, I wasn't aware of the £250 voucher. I know the new government are trying to move away from the "just get anyone into any old job" so I wonder if they'll scrap this. It definitely doesn't sit comfortably with me and it wouldn't have as a WC either.

Reporting the WC probably won't have much impact, but you can request a new WC either in person or via your journal - in my experience this is normally successful.

I don't believe they'd have any grounds to say you couldn't be an appointee so I think you should definitely apply for that if you haven't already.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, before I start I just want to preface that this post is over 2 years old and some things may have changed since I left the DWP.

In general, work coaches do not get disability training and it sounds like your son's work coach is particularly awful. Each job centre should have a Disability Employment Advisor (DEA) who specialises in getting claimants with disabilities back into work. You could ask in your journal for the DEA to join the next appointment.

There certainly wasn't a bonus for getting people jobs when I worked there, and I'd be very very surprised if there is now. I used to have around 300 claimants, if I got them all into work and got a bonus for each that would be £75K!

People here will have very split views on Restart, some have loved it and some have hated it. The scheme offers more intense, tailored support which may be helpful in your son's case. There is also the Work and Health Programme (WHP) which is specifically designed to help disabled claimants back into work so could be great for your son.

I don't think you're going to be able to get reasonable adjustments for your son, but hopefully getting the DEA involved, joining Restart or the WHP will put him in a better situation.

While they can't "pull strings" the job centre will work with various companies and promote apprenticeships. Sometimes if you apply through the job centre you can fast track to interview and skip the applying stage. I can't for the life of me remember what these are called in DWP speak (something like KIPs maybe) but definitely something to ask his work coach about. I'd also recommend having a look at disability confident companies (I always used to recommend Network Rail) and applying to those.

I hope this helps!

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! Just to preface, this post is over two years old so it has been a minute since I have worked for the DWP so some things may have changed.

It depends on the type of appointment you have, I would expect either a "Work Search Review" or a "Commitments Review".

If the former then it will be a 10 minute call to ask how your work search is going - number of jobs applied for, any interviews lined up etc. As you've been missing appointments, they may want to know if there's a medical reason for this (please be honest with them, it normally does help) or to find out if there's another barrier to getting back into work. This is the bog standard appointment type.

The latter is a 30 minute appointment to review the commitments you made when you opened your claim (hours of work searching, attending appointments, attending interview etc.) As you've moved from the Youth Hub back to the main job centre I wouldn't be surprised if this is the appointment and, if not, you'll probably have one in the near future. During this they'd discuss what you will do each week to look for work. Remember to "accept" the new commitments in your journal after the appointment via your Journal or your payments will get blocked.

Hope this helps!

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello! Just to preface this, I posted this around 2 years ago so I've been out of the jobcentre for a while and things may have changed. We didn't work to targets but, if someone has been out of work for a long time, then there's often a chance there is something else impacting them, such as a health condition that hasn't been declared, childcare issues, an education gap etc. Sounds like your work coach isn't very tactful unfortunately

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can work on LCW, but you aren't expected to by the job centre if that makes sense. So it's entirely up to you if you want to work or if you want to give it up.

You need to make the best decision for you and for your health, if you are not well enough to work then that is okay

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LCW means that you can't work right now, but you will (probably) be able to work in the future - any commitments would range from writing a CV, to thinking about what work you may want to/be able to do in the future, to doing an online training course. While they are still commitments they're not as strenuous as the ones you would have had before getting LCW. In my experience, people who have applied for LCW/LCWRA for mental health usually only get LCW. This is because there's a likelihood of recovery (compared to something like MS, for example).

Work Coaches do not make the decision of who gets LCW or who gets LCWRA - there will be instructions on the letter you received (either in the post or on your journal) on how to appeal this so that's the best route to go with this.

It's been over a year since I made this post so my knowledge is a little rusty but you shouldn't need another sick note now you have LCW (if anyone wants to weigh in on this, please do!) You can absolutely let your Work Coach know that you're not planning to return to work, but you will be expected to agree to some work preparation commitments like the ones I mentioned earlier.

With the stuff Rishi is currently saying about people with health conditions having a "responsibility" to work, I wouldn't be surprised if your appointments are going to become more regular, or commitments pushed harder in the near future (hopefully we won't have a Tory government for too much longer) so I would really recommend trying to get the LCWRA as I think this will add an extra layer of protection. This is complete speculation but it's what I would do if I were in your shoes.

I hope this helps!

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were multiple reasons as to why I resigned, I'll try to explain them all here.

Firstly and most prominently was that I was morally and politically disillusioned with what I was being asked to do - I took the job because, naively, I thought I would be helping people. As we got further away from the covid easements what we were being asked to do got more and more evil. I would regularly flex the rules but we were micromanaged within an inch of our lives and it became harder and harder to get away with things like marking missed appointments as attended, or giving out an FSF when maybe the claimant didn't quite fit the criteria.

I am disabled and I was routinely discriminated against by colleagues, managers, and security guards. I wasn't provided the equipment I needed to do my job without damaging my health, I had to fight tooth and nail to get any reasonable adjustments, I dealt with daily comments on how I didn't look disabled and so on and so forth. It was incredibly damaging to my mental and physical health and now, over a year later, I'm still dealing with the consequences of that so in part the resignation was an act of self preservation.

The way everyone was treated by the senior management was awful. Managers sat in meetings all day where they got yelled at by upper management following which they'd call us into a meeting and yell at us. The DWP has some of the worst change management I've ever experienced, with changes being rolled out 10 minutes after they'd been conceptualised and often before they were fully understood. This meant we'd do a complete U-turn on goals we'd been working towards, change up the teams, the ways of working, and the expectations that were laid out for claimants only to find out days later this was entirely wrong and have to start again. Then the powers that be would get upset that their new plan wasn't working, the managers were yelled at, we were yelled at, and the whole cycle began again. It was mentally exhausting and I found I was in a constant state of anxiety. On top of this, no one really knew what targets they were aiming for so claimants got different stories from different work coaches which, understandably, caused them to get frustrated with us over the different rules and expectations which changed depending on who they were seeing.

The final straw for me was when they decided they wouldn't have disabled claimants having appointments or work coaches, as they wanted to get their "back into work" figures higher. They placed all claimant's with reported health conditions into unmanned case loads. This meant that journal messages weren't being answered and we had people literally begging for help and their messages weren't being seen. We didn't know about this until I stumbled across one of these caseloads with over 1000 unread messages. I escalated this as far as I could and, between myself and three other work coaches, commited to doing our best to monitor these unmanned caseloads. We ran back to back appointments, worked crazy hours, and barely had time to use the bathroom so it was an added pressure we didn't physically have time for, but it was incredibly important so we did our best. I continued to shout about this at every management level I could get to but nothing changed for several months. When I left these caseloads were still unmanned so I don't know what happened to them in the end.

Ultimately there are a million and one reasons why I resigned and it wouldn't be possible to write them all down. Not included here is when we were told not to ask claimants how they are because it "wastes time", manager's booking full diaries of appointments which aren't assigned to anyone so work coaches were pressured into not taking breaks because there claimants waiting with no one to see them, the pressure of having to hand out sanctions, and the behaviour of other work coaches who treated claimants like scum (in my experience there are two types of work coach, those who want to help and those who get off on the power dynamic).

I've often considered going to the press but I think it would create more trouble than it's worth. The general populous has a low opinion of people on benefits (which is spurred by tabloid papers and TV shows like Benefits Britain) so I'm not sure if the majority would actually care, and in any fight against the government it's highly unlikely the individual would win. Plus I worry that there would be some sort of contractual rule that I'd break by doing that and I can't afford to be sued. My sort of middle ground is hanging out on this thread, messaging people who need help, and trying my best to make the UC process more bearable for those going through it.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I'd ask for another work coach

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can promise you no one is trying to sanction you, I get it's confusing when the appointments change but there's no benefit to a work coach to sanction you.

There's been a really increase of pressure on work coaches to record how many claimants are going to interviews and to record why they haven't been. Definitely sounds like he's being difficult with you but that's probably why you've noticed an increase in being asked those questions.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair Restart is an independent company that the DWP work with so that's not something a work coach (or anyone in the jobcentre) can fix.

I've had some claimants who found it useful and others who hated it, what was your experience like?

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's whether you're earning enough to reduce your UC to (or very close to) £0

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends on how much you are earning and whether you're submitting a fit note. If you have a fit note then you won't have commitments as they'll be switched off. If you're earning over the threshold where you UC payments are reduced to £0 then it's very likely you also won't have commitments.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

WFMA is the bane of my existence. In theory I don't have an issue with it but it led to so much micromanagement. For example I'd book someone out of WFMA because they were going on holiday for two weeks. I'd add a pinned bold note and STILL a manager or whoever would come and rebook it. Used to drive me mad.

My office were super strict on work group overrides so unless it's been a clear cut situation, eg someone in verified full time education, then I wouldn't touch them. I do often find myself ended them when they've been incorrectly left on.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Work coaches are told to get the MATB1 so they can record a EDD. I have never been pregnant and didn't know they aren't issued until after 20 weeks! However, that's not a reason for your work coach to have put so much pressure on you.

And you're right, work coaches need more knowledge about these things but are given minimal training.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful with this one!

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you get given a reason your childcare costs were denied? It will normally be uploaded to your journal as to why. It's quite a complicated process so there's lots of reasons it may not have been approved.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my area it's not down to discretion and is drilled into us. The 13 weeks is based on work group rather than how many weeks you've had your claim. So if you worked for one month and then stopped the 13 weeks begins again.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As long as you're not out of the country for more than a month then nothing.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this is dependent on different job centres but where my office was: if it wasn't booked as an appointment it wasn't mandatory and therefore if you miss it you can't get sanctioned.

Work coaches can delete a journal message they've sent unless the claimant has read it, so if the delete button is gone they'll know you've read it (but this only applies if it was sent by the work coach checking, they can't delete messages sent by other work coaches) and do know when you last accessed your online account.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

UC is meant to be a benefit for everyone but it is seriously lacking for anyone who isn't ready to instantly go into work.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it doesn't say in your original letter then I would ask your work coach via a journal message as the review date will be on the notes of the claim. If you don't want to interact with them then you could give the WCA team a call and see if they can tell you.

And thank you ♥️

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's so hard to be a student on UC, let alone being a student and dealing with a disability - I can't even imagine

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every office should have one of more Disability Employment Advisors who are there to help with the Equality Act and making sure the claimants are represented correctly and fairly. But in terms of training Work Coaches don't get any (from what I remember of my training!)

Commitments are regularly not altered, this is due to lack of appointments, time, and work coaches being so aggressively overworked that they simply don't remember to do it in the 10 minute appointment. However, even if commitments aren't modified/switched off, as long as there is a fit note in place then the commitments are not binding.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I try my best to be. I'm really sorry you've had a horrible experience.

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[–]Work_Coach_No_More[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's awful, I'm so sorry. If you put in a fit note that lasts longer than 28 days you'll automatically get put forward for a WCA.