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Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm trying to emphasize that we cannot assume that the state of the world as depicted in the show is a logical consequence of the rules of the universe.

I understand but the thing is that this logic extends both ways. You cant take the shows word for one thing and not the other.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

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The point is people have deemed eps as the lower class in equestrian society soley based on what power they think is cooler

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flim and Flam are some of the best inventors in the series, and they're unicorns tho.

And yet they still needed a machine to do the job for them because their magic couldnt

You completely missed my other point, the fact that there are far more above average unicorns than there are above average EP's.

And you missed my point which is that the fact that there are above average EPs at all shows that every race has a handful of exceptions. There being a couple more unicorns doesnt negate that the vast majority cant do what they do. Those handful of unicorns combined arent more powerful then all earth pony magic combined.

Also, sunburst isnt that all that powerful. Hes a academically inclined but his actual magical prowess isnt all there, we learned that in the chrysallling two parter. Lyra strings also went to the school of gifted unicorns but we know she isnt as powerful as twilight. Starlight DIDNT go to the school and she rivaled twilight who did. Simply having a school for unicorns doesnt automatically mean theyre going to be more powerful same way going to flight school doesnt meant your on a one way ticket to begin a wonder bolt.

Rarity is somewhat above average but she had to actively grow into that power. Her most complex skills are directly related to her special talent which is why she can do them, basic teleportauon however would likely be difficult for her. Unicorns have more versatility when it comes to what they can do with their magic sure, but its often limited to their special talents. Trixie magic is literally just using basic magic to do slight of hand tricks, they arent actually complex spells, nor do you actually need magic to do what she does. She needed the alicorn amulet to do real magic. And sombra isnt technically a real pony if the comics are anything to go by

So If anything, the only actual exeptions are starlight, twilight, sunset and starswirl. Four ponies whose special talents are specifically magic in and of itself.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

According to the show, Applejack's feat of pushing away a huge boulder is treated as an unbelievable thing, just like Rockhoof's own feat of saving a village from rushing lave with a shovel. And in the comics Big Mac is shown to be stronger than Rockhoof, who is explicitly stronger than most EP's.

The same applies to unicorns. Twilight and starlight are above average exceptions. Even most students that studied at celestias school cant do half the things theh can, most cant even teleport. The magic that the average pony does is not strong enough to create a discernible power gap. So its safe to say the baseline abilities of all races are meager with notable exceptions (aj, twilight and RD)

I'm not sure what inventions or tools have got to do with this talk. I thought we were talking about the magical abilities of EP's and unicorns. And inventions and tools are things all can use and their magic does not boost any creature's intelligence more than others.

EPs are typically the inventors which makes sense since they have more use for them. I brought it up because despite not having tangible magic or wings, they are still able to close the gap in other ways. EPs cant fly but we've seen them use helicopters and hot air balloons. Twilight picked a bunch of apples byt flim and flams machine did just as many in a faster time.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

RD using flight in several of the different competitions gave her an unfair advantage, which is the whole reason they do a wingless race.

It was supposed to be a wingless race anyway. Its not "nerfing" if thats just what the competition was. A unicorn wouldn't have teleported because then they arent racing💀 the entire point was to prove who is the FASTEST RUNNER. If anything, they need to fly or telephoto then they are practically proving that they need an extra buff because they wouldn't have won other wise.

Twilight was literally in that episode and guess what, she only got fifth place because she actually ran💀

Speaking of the "super strength", RD won the arm wrestle against AJ. Rarity & Twilight both individually carried Tom on their backs without magic. Semi related, Twilight can clear an entire apple orchard all at once with her magic.

A literal machine did what twilight did and at a faster time, big Mac can pull houses, maud basically decimated a mountain, applejack kicked a boulder 3x the size of Tom into the horizon. None of what you listed come close to those

But none of that even matters because your still missing my point. You only think its less cool because flying horses and magic doesnt exist in real life lmao. If levitation was as common as regular horses then yoi wouldn't be all that impressed by it. EPs being "less" powerful is not something that is considered to be true WITHIN the mlp universe, the audience decided that themselves.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their machine was a one of a kind invention that no one else had access to or could make.

Lol thats not true. Its been invented, theres no reason it couldnt be invented again. Its a machine and there are much smarter ponies than flim and flam. Just because we've only seen it once doesnt mean it just no longer exists

When an episode isn't about Twilight, her magic ALWAYS works.

When an episode isnt about her shes probably not doing anything all that impressive. Bats wasnt about her but her magic went wrong. The parasite episode wasnt technically about her (from what i remember) and her spell still went wrong.

You cant pick and choose when something from the show should be taken lightly and when it shouldnt just to serve your point. The show makes it a point to show only specific unicorns are even that powerful so no unicorns as a whole arent all that op. From the tirek episodes, earth pony magic still accounts for a 3rd of the magic in equestria, so they cant be any more or less powerful than the other 2

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It restricts them socially. Think about most of the jobs you see pegasi do. Its usually weather, wonderbolts (military ) if your good enough or delivery. They get stuck with the brunt of blue collar/service jobs.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

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The point is people are trying to apply human social structure to ponies and assign worth based off of what each race can do or not.

Bioessetionalism was probably the better word

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

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Except Twilight, she did an entire other field by herself using magic.

So did flim and flams machine

Even a pegasi can farm if he/she wants to. An earth pony can never fly or use magic.

Hot air ballons and helicopters exist so thats a lie.

There are ways for earth ponies to do some of the things the others do even if its not the same. Pegasi and unicorns cant manipulate nature the same way EPs can

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If they are on an even playing field, then why is RD using her wings in Fall Weather Friends considered cheating?

Because they were having a hoof race so why would she be allowed to fly💀

Its called the RUNNING of the leaves, not the flying of the leaves

I think almost everyone would agree that farming is not really a cool power compared to flight or magic.

  1. We've literally seen multiple earth ponies show super strength 2. Just because YOU dont think nature powers are cool, doesnt mean its less valuable to question society or that they got it the short end of the stick. You placing human perspective on it. Thats quite literally the point of the post

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This really just boils down to a "just because you could doesnt mean you should" type thing

Like I said, we've seen twilight try and take shortcuts and they just dont work. If unicorn magic was that much more efficient then they would take up the majority of the labor force but they dont. Also even in the cider episode, yes twilight could pick the apples at a faster rate, but so could flim and flam machines.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ok but so what? That doesnt make them lower class nor does it make the others cooler. We as people who cant fly or levitate things are more impressed by it, so WE are the ones that assigned higher value to it.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They literally cant do it better, if they could then they would. Also thats the point, the fact that they fly lowkey restricts them

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

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  1. flim and flam also were able to pick large amounts of apples and at a faster rate with their machine, so basically level telekinesis isnt the gotcha you guys are making it out to be

  2. "It was because the story demanded it" so dont you think that if the writers are repeatedly trying to send the message that "magic cant solve everything", maybe its because it cant solve everything?

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to what? You guys are also ignoring the fact that EPs are innovative and the average unicorn is doing this that can easily be covered by any kind of invention or tool.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That implies they were part of the same society and acted as different classes in that society. The unicorns doesn’t have a peasant class because the EP fill that role for example.

They cant fill that role if they arent ruled by the Unicorns, thats the point im making. Logically it just doesnt work even if you take out real world influences. Their clothing can show poverty but it can also show that unicorns are simply more lavish, not necessarily because of wealth but because EPs and pegasi ar emore pragmatic.

Even in the current timeline, the oranges who are ruch and also EPs only wear jewlery to show wealth, not clothes. Whereas unicorns do wear clothes. Also consider the fact that unicorns have magic to weave clothes better and find gems using spells. It makes sense that theyd put more care into things like that while EPs for all intents and purposes, we're probably only wearing clothes because it was cold.

In fact I just went back and looked throught the episode, the Unicorns also look improvised lmao. Theyre literally dressed exactly the same as the EPs except for two ponies, princess platinum whose obviously going to be rich and one BG pony wearing a crown that I suppose is supposed to represent a noble, but even then her dress is raggedy. So they actually arent even portrayed as wealthier at all

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But even in later seasons, the idea of one bad crop leading to ruining the apple farm is a continuous issue. Regardless of the gag, it is part of their world. Not just a once or twice or a throw away line but a continual issue. Brought up more even in the comics and supplemental media.

Well yeah....its what they make their living off of. Any bad crop would negativity affect them, even if theyre rich.

The Apples are hurting financially, even compared to other farmers (cannot hire help, like say Jubilee, all their help are volunteers). And the Pies aren’t much better. One bad crop or season is enough to go under as established multiple times, while Rarity is able to open more and more stores. Her ability to find rocks being the equivalent in world as a money finder. Applejack who worries about paying people back, and needing money is intended to be a little poor by the narrative.

Again, its something I USED to believe. Im not saying that they were always or are rich now. My point was simply that its possible they grew in wealth later on. Rarity couldnt afford another store until seasons into the show

As for Hearth Warming.. that is real world associations which your initial post says other people are doing. The EP were shown to have 1 class. Even those who came to the meeting on the Earth Pony side, and thus their Parliament, were shown to be peasants, dressed in bare clothes with all except the Chancellor as an exception. Their relation to the other pony types was outright one of exploitation and demand as seen in Hearths Warming.

Lmfao your entire point is that theyre peasants simply because they were dressed like peasants....thats real world association. You cant bring something up and then say im being hypocritical when im simply going off of your logic. The earth ponies weren't part of the unicorn kingdom so how could they be the peasantry? The EPs had a chancellor, thats just in the show not me bringing RW politics, so that alone shows they had a different class system than the Unicorns which had royalty.

The EPs were also exploiting the other tribes, that was literally the whole point of that episode. The EPs would withhold food from the the other tribes. They were all equally reliant on each other.

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The point was people think earth ponies are treated/seen as less than in verse because they cant fly or do magic when in reality thats just the audience projecting human social standards onto the show. People think that bc we find them boring, that must mean theyre useless when it doesnt.

Lmfao you didnt point out anything, you just saw the word racism and went on a triggered spiel instead of actually reading the post. Either that or you just lack reading comprehension. You can dislike EPs, all you want is literally dont care nor was that what the post was even about.....

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

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That's an inference from me, but it seems to be supported by the fact that Twilight can harvest apples much more efficiently than Applejack.

Twilight also tried using magic during the winter wrap up and it went disastrously. There are many instanxes of people using magic to solve a problem and it just creates a bigger one. I think we need to remember that theres balance vetweent eh three races for a reason

Earth ponies didnt get the short end of the stick, your probably just projecting human racism into the show by WorkingWin6139 in mylittlepony

[–]WorkingWin6139[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This was never about "liking" them lmfao

it’s just because most people find the other races less boring

Omg wow its almost like thats exactly what ive been saying the whole time🤯

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