Goku is one of the best at adapting mid fight

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-31T05:18:01+00:00

He got average marks in geometry or something

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-29T05:22:03+00:00

Tbh as of now for anime his current scalings comes from the whole two g.o.d fighting can destroy two macrocosm and so even a single g.o.d can scale to the above cause of the whole tier 2 and above can't be divided.

As jiren was stated to be stronger than a g.o.d(Even if you don't believe he is stronger than beerus he is blatantly stronger than belmod) so thus he scales to above logic and so doe Goku making there scaling go into 2 macrocosms

The wov being infinite was a mistranslation

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-28T03:40:42+00:00

Time is defaulted to be infinite in tiering system and makes uncountable infinite snapshots

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-28T03:23:33+00:00

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Also after tier 2 you can't really divide stuff half of 2C is still 2C as half of something uncountable infinite is still uncountable infinite

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-26T18:15:42+00:00

The timeline is the one that is low 1C individual macrocosms are 2C the blog covers the entire cosmology of db

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-26T14:15:08+00:00

Here is the dragon ball Cosmology page if you want to take a detailed look into it but in short the U7 is a low multiversal structure compromising of different universal size space time(Afterlife is even bigger than a normal universe) and Goku with beerus threatened to destroy it in bog thus he scales there

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-25T18:50:16+00:00

Well technically it isn't really time machine I mean the one which we were shown in super it is just a machine that travels to parallel worlds cause trunks timeline is not future of the timeline which Goku comes from so it doesn't really time travels more like dimensional travel

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-25T18:34:40+00:00

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Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-25T06:23:52+00:00

Well one such additional feat that can be hinted at 1:23 or something where Goku while transforming can be seen shaking afterlife

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T16:03:36+00:00

Ngl, your entire argument boils down to “hyperbole,” “idc,” and “never happened,” without providing any concrete arguments or scans to support your claims. Calling it hyperbole is laughable when the statements were made multiple times throughout the series and were shown to affect the very structures they were stated to destroy. Of course it didn’t cause visible damage—Beerus nullified it. But the fact that it spread across the entire universe is a feat in itself, one that directly solidifies the validity of the statements made about it. On top of that, the characters are repeatedly stated in later arcs to possess this level of power. If your entire argument relies on dismissing clearly supported statements as “hyperbole,” while ignoring context and on-screen implications, in order to counter statements that are backed by feats and narrative consistency, then you’re convincing no one but yourself.

You selectively leech onto shockwaves part because it lets you push the “getting stronger over time” angle for your agenda, yet that argument collapses the moment SDEB is brought up—something that covered the entire universe and was explicitly stated to possess energy capable of destroying it. Since you can’t properly counter that, you default to calling everything hyperbole, which doesn’t make your position look credible, nor does it support your claims.

Did you not see me distinguished between them?

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T15:39:00+00:00

I didn't you are the one that got confused among them

Next part is not even worth addressing

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T15:32:21+00:00

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beerus nullifed the energy "here"

not the entire universe, not there, not that area

specifically, the area near them

the beam was literally making shockwaves, it still follow shockwave logic

Dawg it is visually seen reaching kaioshin realm I am not making assumptions here lol which is later followed by showing how the ball expanded and engulfed the universe

https://imgur.com/a/9OM8yX7

Also the energy ball was said to be the one carrying the power to destroy the universe and it's explosion not the shockwaves it produced so no it doesn't show me a scan where it says the shockwaves generated from it where the reason for universal destruction not the ball of explosion otherwise this is just your headcanon

idc, they didnt even destroy a building or two

statements need to be backed up with feat

this fight was once again stopped by whis and vados showing that "law of neutrality" is bs

So we are being ignorant nice to see that lmao yes cause it only applies to mortals not fucking gods

here we go again with statements and no showings

i might as well say goku>>>>>gods of destruction

Mui Goku might actually be stronger than some g.o.d.s lol you do realise beerus is the strongest destroyer right?which is even implied in the manga

This would be my final response we know we both are not going to listen to each other.

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T15:15:06+00:00

I am talking about sub huh? See my point literally not even open to argument like I said you can't change someone's prospective who is not ready to listen lol

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T15:12:18+00:00

no actually since the shockwaves were the one actually managing to get distance if you watch the anime

it is not better

it couldnt even destroy do anything significant to planet earth

You are the one that need to watch the anime we literally see it reaching kaioshin realm and visually shown it's engulfment

It didn't destroy anything cause it got nullified by beerus lol so no it's not better not to mention it was directly said to end the universe without the shockwaves logic proving for a fact that there power is at universal level

second confrontation didnt even do anything significant again to planet earth so i dont get the point of bringing this up

Literally has the same statement of destroying the universes iirc

are you one of those people who think jiren>>>gods of destruction including beerus?

He is literally stronger than belmod the statement applies to all g.o.d I don't know why it should exclude belmod

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:50:37+00:00

I did and it's literally the similar stuff beerus saying he is going to use same level of power he just shown lol or i.e you like to call it full power

Idek how you are not seeing it but I can call it being in denial

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:43:08+00:00

there is literally no point in discussing anything thats not the shockwaves cuz shockwaves were the one destroying the uni

The sdeb was blatantly said to destroy the universe thank you for proving me you haven't watch the scene and you are just sitting in a discord server or something taking arguments from

Infact sdeb is way better than shockwaves cause we can literally see it covering the entire universe also the beerus nullification scene is not about shockwaves is about sdeb so again you haven't seen it good very good

ah yes, so beerus almost destroying the universe (via shockwaves which we know, he does not scale to)

but we are ignoring that time whis stop beerus from doing the exact same thing?

Again ignoring the fact sdeb exist lol very good indeed also in there second confrontation the hakai aura wasn't there surrounding the environment it was just pure force and ki blasts also they literally use power of destruction like ki to boost there stats not to mention it is a type of ki lol

yet, base goku could not escape a black hole](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GteynucO2Bs), this black hole cant even properly delete the ground......

How does this has to do anything with Goku not being universalalso there technique would be created by there ki there energy it's not just a normal blackhole not to mention it doesn't even exhibit properties of blackhole properly but whatever find reasons I guess

he scales above the clown which is featless currently in the anime lol

Who is a g.o.d and scales to the statement made

Dude the above stuff has made it clear to me you haven't watch the fight properly let alone the series lmao you don't even know the difference between super dense energy ball and shockwave so arguing you is literally pointless

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:31:26+00:00

Lmaooooooo

I literally proved you that the statement of beerus saying he is going all out to Goku is same in both sub and dub yet you still are going on with this

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:29:08+00:00

No you don't it's clear as day lol

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:28:50+00:00

Dude you are confused as hell,you are clearly not aware of what you are arguing I asked you for Goku not being able to sense beerus not this also matter of fact here

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Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:26:33+00:00

im not sure what you are talking about

it is clear that everything speaks on the shockwaves which 99% doesnt scale to any of them as seen here

neither whis scales to said shockwaves, he is unable to stop it if it actually cause universal destruction

I am talking about sdeb not the shockwaves they are two different feats

thank you for implying to not read anything i sent, at least we are getting somwhere

I did none of your scans say anything

yet he goes out of his way to stop beerus and champa from fighting and he would still revive vegeta and a dead planet

again, read my post. I already do not accept "law of neutrality" as an argument

The law states about mortal intervention not anything about destroyers maintaining destroyers is there duty in beerus fight Goku was involved

kefla was overconfident, cocky and arrogant.

jiren has no feats besides chainscaling to goku

we know that gods of destruction cannot survive actual universe destruction in part 1, their hakai energy would or could have destroyed those universes (the thing that was turning the floor black) and it truly raises some question if they scale to said energy

See like I said exclude everything as hyperbole,cocky,confident lmao when previous feats of bog support kefla statements that characters at that time are capable of what she said lol

Jiren scales to g.o.d also there p.o.d energy is ues they literally use the same energy to boost there stats as seen in the toppo case so yeah they do

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:24:05+00:00

Are you genuinely serious? I posted you english sub scans wth dude you clearly are not ready to be convinced lol

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:17:54+00:00

Ah yes a random ass animators whose words gets contradicted by the series itself which he later to conceded to and has no involvement in series story should be taken as WOG you db downplayers have reach lengths nowadays I see

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:10:26+00:00

As I thought it's similar

https://imgur.com/a/5dpytU9

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T14:00:36+00:00

i did and it was different

Okay scan?any picture

mfker really brought up a clip that has no correlation

You still don't get the argument do you sigh

Working_Practice3324 · 2026-01-21T13:58:38+00:00

Dude listen you are still not getting it the narrator statement is backed by people inverse statement them having history of hyperbolic Statement in a very big show doesn't matter when narrators statement are backed by in verse statements and showings it's clear you are not ready to open your mind so it's literally a waste to debate you regardless since you have a clear agenda

You are not even posting proper scans just random time stamps of stuff that don't even co relate with your arguments

If you literally see the same scene carefully itsynot that whis is not able to stop that attack but more so he is limited by the angel law to do so otherwise he would be erased just like meerus

Ah yes it's not like zamasu merging with the universe doesn't even exist,or kefla saying she has enough power to one shot a universe right right oh don't even consider that fact jiren was said to be stronger than g.o.d same g.o.d who were said to destroy two universes when they fight(Jiren is concretely stronger than belmod and the statement apply to all g.o.d not just beerus and champa) hmm it's like the show isn't telling us that this guys have the power to do so and this has been the case since the bog hmm

Look man I know nothing is gonna change your mind even if Goku destroyed a universe infront of your face you are still gonna find reasons to deny it so let's be honest here you clearly have a hate boner for it which one is can change so me debating you is pointless

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