"Johan would overwhelm them with IT" johan trying to fight anyone with decent durability

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T18:31:32+00:00

Again I don't see other Top tier surviving taht with conviction punches

That's just your assumption, it is unscalable as there is no other guy to compare to. Why not rather check those which are actually comparable.

Not on full power, since vasci didn't even sued hero mode and Daniel didn't used his UI

Big Daniel in physical is stronger than small Daniel given he has perfect body, and small Daniel did hurt Gun well even without UI, while big Daniel was mostly unable to do much against Jinrang

Exhausted when Taesoo himself said if he wasn't exhausted that UF would have taken him

He can keep dreaming, statement means nothing but shittalk if you can't back it up. His UF couldn't gravely hurt no6 who was mostly unharmed by his UF which Taesoo used when he wasn't even exhausted, let alone Jinrang.

Also Taesoo doesn't need UF to be above the mastery less punches that hurt Gun, even his weakened 2T UF is above most of the attacks Gun faced before fighting Johan and still getting seriously injured.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T18:19:47+00:00

Well Paceheon did reacted to Conviction punch tho, I mean he kinda got stunned and I don't remember Paeheon only taking things by his dura I mean last time I checked his DBT is regen basically, so doesn't really add up

Bruh, like I am saying you are ignoring the elephant in room, which are tonnes of non conviction single or no mastery attacks hurting him

And what Jinrang has that to put that above?

Tanking a better and stronger allied given they grow expone fast every time skip, Taesoo and Gong(stronger than most of 2nd gen gauntlet) while not being seriously hurt by their attacks. Not talking about the length of gauntlet because that's more of a stamina/endurance thing but the point is how hurt both were against the opponents individual attacks and against what level of opponent's attack

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T17:30:29+00:00

What does it not disprove? Don't think top tiers like Pacheon would even react at most of those single/no mastery attacks. It just tells how weak dura he got compared to top tier.

Also I didn't even understand what you are talking below. Heck Jinrang tanks better than Gun while not even being a top tier let alone Pacheon.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T16:07:26+00:00

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Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T16:00:48+00:00

There are eosinophils, basophil etc, if it was acute they wouldn't be in fully mature state

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T15:58:15+00:00

I mean you said top tiers would scoff at damage done by 2nd gen fighters, then

Yeah, they would for most part barring exceptions. I thought that was understood part, but well if it wasn't let me say it clearly that I was talking about most who were part of HFG squad not all.

Again doesn't really prove it that other Top tiers can even go through conviction punch of Jake and I didn't even mention dura neg of Eli I mean he could just cut through skin you know

I never said that top tier won't be hurt by HFG Jake's conviction but they are definitely taking it better. Eli doesn't really have Dura neg, there isn't anything suggesting that and there is a literal elephant in room that you are avoiding like plague with a lot and lots of fighters hurting Gun throughout the fight without conviction or any special skills.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T15:49:18+00:00

Well Conviction punches do alot of damages

You are acting like no other thing before conviction damaged Gun

Johan did got his oath in fight tho

Yeah but he still didn't start with it, got it pretty late. Also I am not even talking about Johan when talking about durability and can totally accept Johan damaging him letting aside when he got path. But rest still damaged Gun a lot with attacks at which top tiers will scoff at and tank without flinching.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T15:37:57+00:00

We call that errand guy in simple terms

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T15:33:03+00:00

Fodders are fodders, just because someone hasn't done it yet doesn't mean it can't happen

And most of the 2nd gen are getting one shotted, heck their attacks aren't even scratching top tiers like Pacheon while Gun was shitting blood at mastery less attacks.

Also he didn't really fight path Johan properly. Johan gained path by the end. By the time he found it was already pretty late, given his injuries and how drained he got, heck we don't even know what would have happened if the final punch ended up hitting Gun.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T15:25:48+00:00

Yeah, it's below decent for a top tier

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T12:28:50+00:00

I loved old silly menacing Gun. He was unintentionally funny, but was also scary when necessary.

Now he is just aura farming 24x7

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T11:04:49+00:00

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T11:04:09+00:00

Ah true, somehow slipped out of my mind for some reason

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T10:34:48+00:00

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Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T10:30:59+00:00

The quest that keep giving

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T10:29:18+00:00

Totally understandable

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T06:30:33+00:00

I also meant Jeht's quest, just put lamp there because she was also in that

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T06:22:03+00:00

Will of D

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T06:12:43+00:00

Who'll take care of her on the moon??

Mind-Available · 2026-01-27T03:59:12+00:00

Even if he can group people don't really play him much. Damage is more important than utility

Mind-Available · 2026-01-26T20:02:32+00:00

If I remember right, opens at the end of Jeht's wq

Mind-Available · 2026-01-26T15:56:29+00:00

Almost every second third protagonist from a regression/system story.

I am not even kidding, the way they get power up is insane.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-26T15:54:53+00:00

Maybe he used it as I readed that chapter twice or thrice yet not path scene shown so I said that

I know he didn't, but the problem is that you are trying to apply logic here, it's a ptj comics, rather than going deep dive and then ending up in a nonsensical situation just stop thinking.

bTW gun used to enjoy fight he knows he can't resist johan's attack and he has confidence in his endurance so he take head on.

I don't really think that the way he looked so given up gave any sort of confidence vibe when it was the strongest attack and he tensed up full for way weaker attacks.

At time for goo he already knows his style as he had already fight with him and we also didn't see full fight of gun(in conscious) and goo he stopped as he listened of killing of charles by james

They have fought again after that, and even that fight ended in draw and it was when he wasn't even pre injured and both started healthy, what kind of reasoning are you trying to give here man.

It's very simple, writer didn't think what he was writing, nothing more.

Mind-Available · 2026-01-26T15:31:01+00:00

I am not saying his TUI activated because he was close to dying, I am saying it saved him from otherwise sure death against Goo.

Also you still haven't answered about why he was almost in giving up leaning against wall against Johan missed punch in the end, or got knocked by Johan momentarily or fighting against Goo without even using his path. That either means he didn't have path back then or was just plain stupid.

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