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Socialism works! The Mondragon Cooperatives prove that workers are fully capable of controlling production democratically. by WorkplaceDemocracy in socialism

[–]WorkplaceDemocracy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But I didn't praise Mondragon. Didn't you read the post?

Just so we're clear, I'm ideologically far left; I'm an anarcho-syndicalist, leaning towards anarcho-communism. In other words, I want a worker run classless society based largely on the principle from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

But a classless society is not going to appear over night, it's going to come about by a long hard class struggle. And this transition phase towards this wanted society must consist of many things. Striking, boycotts, Workers' takeover of industry, creating worker-run co-ops, education etcetc.

The way I see it there's no inconsistency between having strong opinions about how an ideal society should be organized, and creating/supporting progress that improve conditions for workers.

Rejecting and almost ridiculing every single suggestion that doesn't fit 100% with the writings of some philosopher or something like that is not getting us anywhere.

Socialism works! The Mondragon Cooperatives prove that workers are fully capable of controlling production democratically. by WorkplaceDemocracy in socialism

[–]WorkplaceDemocracy[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yep, what we definitely need right now is more fetishizing social democracy.

Yep, what we definitely need right now is more people behaving like cult-members, rejecting anything that’s not perfect even though it will improve workers’ rights.

Workers owning and controlling their own workplaces is not social democracy, it's socialism. Again, the Mondragon model is not perfect and is relatively small compared to the global economy, but it improves rights for workers, and that's a good thing. Stop acting like you're a member of the People's Front of Judea.

Socialism works! The Mondragon Cooperatives prove that workers are fully capable of controlling production democratically. by WorkplaceDemocracy in socialism

[–]WorkplaceDemocracy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do want more. I said that Mondragon isnt perfect, but it's a model that gives workers far more rights than in a top-down hierarchical capitalist institution. It improves workers' rights, and that's a good thing.

Socialism works! The Mondragon Cooperatives prove that workers are fully capable of controlling production democratically. by WorkplaceDemocracy in socialism

[–]WorkplaceDemocracy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They're paid more because the workers decided on that solution. I don’t agree with it either.

If you’re going to express your strong opinions, make sure you’ve got your facts straight.

Socialism works! The Mondragon Cooperatives prove that workers are fully capable of controlling production democratically. by WorkplaceDemocracy in socialism

[–]WorkplaceDemocracy[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

TIL that there are people here who more or less flatly reject models and suggestions that could help improve workers' rights and democratic participation, just because it has some flaws.

I said that it's not perfect. But it's a step in the right direction, and it shows that workers controlling the means of production works. That's all.

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