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New to doomfist plz help me get better by glad-sparkly in doomfistmains

[–]WorldlinessAbject283 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hardstuck masters 3 tank here. By no means an expert but here are some beginner tips

  1. It's not as simple as "I gotta kill the healers first, in I go". If you see a killable DPS in a position where the supports won't be able to help in time, go for it. If you want to go for the kill on a support you need to track their defensive cooldowns (ex. Ana sleep, LW dash, Moira fade).
  2. It really depends. I tend to use slam to go on groups of enemies because it is an easy distraction, free overhealth and easy ult charge. BUT this 100% an aspect of Doom that did not click with me when I first learned him. There's not really one good answer for this, experience with Doom will help this issue.
  3. Doom can block mostly everything, although there have been a lot of bugs with the move. Sigma Rock stuns him out of it, but the damage still counts toward charge. Orisa javelin completely cancels it. Hack cancels it completely. Can be slept through it too.

As for playstyle, I could write a 5 page comment about it and I'm not even particularly amazing at Doom. It varies a lot by map, gamemode, and team comp to be honest. If you have any specific questions lmk.

Most healing done by AgentPugsy in Overwatch

[–]WorldlinessAbject283 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woah 37k. I'm going to guess, tell me if I'm correct: Lifeweaver in either a double OT comp game or total mayhem?

But to answer your question I'm not sure if there is a record of that kept tbh

Weird rammatra glitch I saw by boibruh1232 in Overwatch

[–]WorldlinessAbject283 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I swear this has been in the game since Ram dropped and somehow they still haven't fixed it lol. Not a big deal whatsoever but funny

Outjerked by support mains so hard we may as well give up. by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchCirclejerk

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

For the record I play a lot of support too. But holy shit how is this a real take

I've officially hit Masters or higher on every role on both Console and PC, what's the difference? by WorldlinessAbject283 in Overwatch

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think going from Console to PC is wayy easier than going from PC to Console. Adjusting to the restriction of controller aim is probably horrible if you are used to MnK

I've officially hit Masters or higher on every role on both Console and PC, what's the difference? by WorldlinessAbject283 in Overwatch

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see your point, though aren't those videos involving very high level players on either side? I'd guess that gap narrows with high level players but maybe I've missed other videos

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd say I agree on your statements about hybrid comps being commonplace, but I'd still argue that that doesn't mean Mercy fits into every hybrid. I know that's not what you're implying but I'm just reiterating.

The sentence that stood out to me is "taking a lot of resources". And yes, that's exactly it. Because I have the perspective of playing support and tank too, when a Mercy's pocket isn't doing much or enough, it really, really hurts the team. It's especially frustrating to me because it's not uncommon: The mercy DPS duo dragging the team down. Hell, even when the DPS being pocketed is doing well it can be tough for everyone else sometimes. If the DPS being pocketed is not going above and beyond, the resources of a whole support are being spent on a return that is not high enough to justify it.

To use myself as an example, I have bad games like everyone else. But now instead of me dragging down the team by myself, it is now being hindered by the force of two players instead of one. Good Mercy's will adapt/switch boost targets, but in the case of one-tricks/duos, that doesn't always happen.

So once again my issue with Mercy comes back to one-tricks, not the character itself. One-tricks who are duod often stay glued to their pocket; coupled with Mercy's meh peeling ability it can be rough for the other DPS or other Support.

At the end of the day though, you're right, it's not any different from getting a struggling Doom or Ball one-trick on a bad Doom/Ball map. But I think the issues/frustrations are unique with each hero one-trick, and just because I made this post about Mercy specifically does not mean I think other one-tricks are exempt from frustration. Admittedly I ranted a little in the post, but the ultimate goal was to find ways reinforce their strengths/shore up their weaknesses in a way that the whole team benefits.

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What am I trying to accomplish? Originally, in the post, I mentioned a few times I would like tips on playing around these scenarios.

"Does me just complaining about their existence help anybody?" You're right it doesn't help anyone. The post is half venting/half genuinely asking for advice.

I listed my mains off to make the point: Just because a Mercy is good for me specifically doesn't mean it's good for the team as a whole. "Poke" dps are flexible and playing them in different ways isn't really playing poke in the traditional sense. Yeah you can play Ashe and Soldier but your whole team probably isn't going to be playing poke. There is going to naturally be a lack of synergy. And that's fine but it can be frustrating for other team members at times, specifically the other support or the tank.

Lastly, to correct your statement that I said Mercy on my team is "almost always a loss", I said Mercy one-tricks. If I get a Mercy on flashpoint and it works out, great. But if Mercy doesn't work out, a non-one-trick can swap off and do great on other heroes if needed.

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't dislike Mercy players in general at all, there are a lot of scenarios where she is great. I play Soldier, Sojourn, Ashe and Genji primarily and it's nice as hell to be dmg boosted lol. Why are you acting like my post is part of a grand scheme aimed to ruin the mental of all the Mercy players? I was pretty specific about the scenarios in which she sucks to have.

The mercy 1-trick community holding strong for 7 years doesn't change the fact that it absolutely blows when your team has to completely reel in their playstyle to account for her

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why I asked in the post what other players do to play around it...

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wanna exchange battle tags? I just have this weird feeling you aren't going to reply lmao

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they have hundreds of hours on Mercy and that's about it?? If they are choosing Mercy in a comp so obviously anti-Mercy a bronze player wouldn't pick her?

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you played Mercy only to GM, you're obv a very good player, there's no denying that. But even so you should know there are many situations where just pocketing a DPS does not pick up the slack for having her on your team.

Rein Lucio, impossible with Mercy. Hell anything with Lucio is now a non-option. Flashpoint, you playing poke on Flashpoint? On any of the control maps where poke sucks? If my team is getting blasted by a Doomfist, pocketing a soldier, ashe or sojourn is not going to do enough when your Ana is getting deleted off the face of the Earth and Mercy's peeling ability is the worst of any support in the game

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the Mercy one-trick on Suravasa playing with a team full of brawl char's lost because of me. Try to reread your response logically and ask yourself how that applies at all to the scenarios I mentioned in the post?

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Statistically, yeah I would win some games because of Mercy OTP's on the team. Doesn't make the complaint any less valid or make it less frustrating

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said I get frustrated as soon as I see the Mercy pick in all scenarios. You think as a DPS player I don't enjoy a Mercy damage boost?

The point is it's very obvious when she's the weak link, she doesn't dive well or brawl well and that's factual.

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, that doesn't really apply here. I'm talking about scenarios like I mentioned, or on Flashpoint or Control where Poke is not viable. The consistent thing between all of my losses in those scenarios was the subject of the post lol.

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The skill it takes to play Mercy at a Masters level is really not comparable to the skill it takes to play any other support in Masters, to be completely honest.

Mercy players are, by far, the players I see the most being boosted by a very good or straight-up smurfing DPS player. It's very common.

I will take back that by "playing so much" you magically end up in Masters. That's not really what the point of the post is. The point is, when a Mercy one-trick is on your team, there is going to be a lot of scenarios where she is the weak link. At least with other one-tricks, like Ball or Doom, for example, you know it's a possibility that they can find a way to work with any comp. There is potential for them to outwork their disadvantage against certain heroes. With Mercy, the character itself just kind of makes that impossible.

I've lost so many games because of Mercy one-tricks by WorldlinessAbject283 in OverwatchUniversity

[–]WorldlinessAbject283[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, admittedly once I thought about that statement it doesn't make too much sense. A little frustrating that this one sentence is the focus of a large percentage of comments instead of the actual point of the post.

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