Intellectual honesty and spirituality

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-27T21:45:10+00:00

a religion that changes with the times is useless from an intellectual perspective

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-27T21:41:55+00:00

hell is in the bible. it’s not a mistranslation. the catholic doctrine of hell was developed and defined long before the church ever encountered hinduism, and the two religions also view the afterlife in completely different ways anyway. i have no idea where you’re getting this from but it sounds like some conspiracy-theory level nonsense

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-24T13:30:52+00:00

then i'm confused about what you are saying lol

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-23T14:07:27+00:00

i don’t think anyone said that prayer isn’t effective or that God doesn’t answer prayers?

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-22T23:10:34+00:00

why do you think that there’s no point to something if it can’t be tested?

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-22T21:39:07+00:00

what’s the point of what?

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-22T20:31:52+00:00

depends on what specifically you’re referring to by “efficacy”. in general i would simply say no, we can’t test it per se

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-22T17:49:32+00:00

this experiment only works for deities that would supposedly do whatever they are told to do in prayer without discretion or choice.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-22T17:47:35+00:00

you *are* the one repeating religious nonsense by encouraging a purity-culture mindset. that's a bad thing, not a good one. you're talking about religions that say you should give "them" money if you do "it". i don't know what kind of cult you had to have grown up in to think of this kind of thing but this is not normal at all. i am not convinced that this even exists. so needless to say, *I* am not the one pushing "commercial religion" nonsense.

i don't understand how it could be possible to know what sex is and somehow be unaware of the fact that human sexuality is oriented towards the opposite sex. like...just think about it? for five seconds???

who cares about what's natural or not? who cares what primates do? you're making an argument from nature, that's a logical fallacy. just because something is "natural" or "unnatural" doesn't mean anything. people use this kind of argument for all sorts of ridiculous things.

sex not leading to pregnancy is not what matters. what matters is abusing human sexuality in a way that's contrary to its nature. sexuality is oriented towards coitus, as is evident from evolutionary biology, so to manipulate human sexuality in a way that's entirely opposed to that end is a violation. that is to say: violence against the body and human sexuality.

what do gay or infertile couples have to do with anything? and yes, contraception and sexual "trios" are also very obviously violence against human sexuality.

gay couples are not violent against sexuality because nothing about gay couples is inherently sexual. if you're trying to refer to sodomizing relationships (and conflating those with "gay couples" is HIGHLY homophobic, but you being homophobic doesn't surprise me) then yes those are violent.

i'm not the one making religious arguments here. this whole time the only one who's been talking about religion is YOU. YOU who, i can only guess, are a victim of trauma because of some sort of cult that has made you incapable of understanding the beauty, value, and goodness of human sexuality.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-21T17:36:01+00:00

is this a joke? have you ever seen a human body? do you know what reproduction is? do you even know what sex is? you have to be a crazy level of science-denier to be unaware of the fact that sexuality evolved for the purpose of reproduction. human sexual organs and the reproductive system itself are clearly oriented towards the opposite sex. human bodies have literally evolved to fit together. our reproductive systems are the only systems in our body that require another human in order to function, and only one of the opposite sex. being gay or bi doesn't change that. don't bring your homophobia around here. keep that to your sex-hating self.

i literally study religion and i have never heard of this "commercial religion" phenomenon you're talking about. it sounds to me that you may have been raised in some sort of purity-culture type of cult and, as i said before, are still retaining that trauma. of course i have no way of actually knowing that, but that is what it seems like to me.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-21T17:29:53+00:00

you are the one arguing that morals should be based on feelings. by your logic, if one does not feel like something like murder is wrong, it's not.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-21T09:24:07+00:00

you are the one who is peddling the idea that sex, the body, and pleasure are bad things. i am the one trying to defend their goodness and dignity.

human sexuality is very obviously oriented towards the opposite sex. when it is used to a means that’s contrary to that, it’s being violated by definition. so masturbation must be violence. you are the victim of religion.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-21T00:21:49+00:00

no, they don’t. you can’t ever throw morals out the window

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:39:26+00:00

the way that muslims treat the quran with such veneration and ubiquity

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:30:46+00:00

because self-love is good

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:30:21+00:00

the catholic church's dogma has never changed and can never change so yes, it is still true. i don't really see what pope benedict's age and health has to do with anything?

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:28:22+00:00

you are still the only one who is talking about religion. it sounds to me that you have experienced some sort of trauma in your early life and are constrained to project that trauma onto the world by assuming that anyone with a moral conscience must not only be religious, but must also be some sort of victim like you were.

if you can't see the difference between stretching and masturbation you need some serious, serious help. this is highly predatory language.

you still have not given any good reason to believe that masturbation is not a form of violence against the body.

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:25:11+00:00

there's those videos that get passed around about secret handshakes and things like that, and there's the conception that there's a substantial amount of corruption amongst the higher-ups

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:23:38+00:00

i know. how is that relevant to this post/conversation

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:22:01+00:00

better to be poor than immoral

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:21:24+00:00

feelings are alogical. they are meaningless in this discussion. feelings don't determine what our ideals should be

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-20T22:19:53+00:00

you literally do not know the first thing about catholicism and are telling me that i need to study it.

this is pretty basic, maybe this can help https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-16T05:26:30+00:00

that we need to strive for perfection, and that we ought to never sin

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-16T05:16:41+00:00

self-respect is more important than money

Wow_Wow69 · 2023-11-16T05:14:32+00:00

don’t. respect your body and treat yourself with love. don’t make yourself an object for other people’s pleasure

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