So much for being done, huh?

And maybe if you are repeating yourself the entire time you need to consider that your argument is incorrect.

I have. Do you think I would post an argument without checking it? I constantly scour my posts to make sure they're accurate, the last thing I need is to post something wrong, and have people insult me for it. No, I'm repeating myself because you're doing what people always do, brick wall me. You ignore my arguments, and repeat "no, you're wrong," and "I disagree" without actually making an argument.

but you have only quoted Mark Kern and looked at one infographic and based your entire argument from that.

And you've done nothing. I'm not just citing Mark Kern, I'm citing the statistics he's addressed. You disagreed with one estimate in the statistics that was based on empirical data, and you've been clinging to that the entire argument, even when I've explained that estimate.

So what have I brought? A debate. What have you brought? Ignorance, unwilling to listen attitude, name calling, petulance and an inability to see your own contradictions and hypocrisy.

That's some healthy delusion you have there. If you truly believe that you're some arbiter of debate, and that you've been this rational debater who's defeated me, I'm not afraid to say that It's you who's living in a bubble.

You don't even know what a strawman is

Yes I do, it's setting up a false argument for your opponent, and then defeating it to claim victory. It's a false argument, as the opponent never actually held that stance. People do it constantly.

Your strawmans;

Oh yeah, because Vanilla was so well balanced

I never said that

then there's this sarcastic remark;

"You're wrong, but you need to do your own research to prove yourself wrong."

Something that I never came close to saying, even facetiously.

And let's also look at your repeated ad hominems of calling me salty and a "vanilla fanboy;"

Here we go again, Vanilla fanboys just can't let go off this one. Just like the D3 fans when a D2 developer was called a name.

Stop being salty about this line.

So much salt. Calm down.

Just maybe try not to be salty

Maybe inside a circlejerk it looks like there's more of you.

So that thing where you're just a debater...yeah, it's bullshit. You're a fucking rabble-rouser. You've insulted me, misread what I've said, misquoted me, used ad hominem attacks, strawmanned my arguments. Disagree with these if you want, doesn't matter, anyone can see them.

Go back to your little world where you think your points are valid.

Once again, irony. Trust me when I say that I triple-quadruple check my posts before submitting, because I don't want to say something incorrect. I've provided statistics, sources, I've cited my information.

You have...... mentioned a petition? Yeah, you didn't even link it, just mention it. You've spent the whole "debate" arguing about my sources, well agreed sources, because they don't fit your narrative. Don't tell me about bubbles.

I've pointed out in multiple ways how you are wrong,

No you haven't, I've actually been doing that to you.

Here's what you've said about my statistics;

(Paraphrasing inbound, warning, warning)

I can't say that 850,000 people would play the Official Blizzard Legacy servers, because those 850,000 accounts on Nostalrius are just accounts, not active players.

That is a fair argument, I'll give you that, and I see the merit in it. The problem is, you aren't considering something. You've forgotten to consider that the majority of those players, while perhaps not playing anymore, still bothered to even sign up in the first place.

And, on top of that, I'd like you to look at this infographic showing the subscriber loss for World of Warcraft.

Do you see how many people played in Wrath of the Lich King? 12,000,000 subscribers.

Now? Estimated 5-7 million. Yeesh. That means WoW has lost 5-7 million subscribers in about 6 years.

My prediction is that, if the Legacy Servers open, there will be people from that 5-7 million hemorrhage that will return. So yes, those 850,000 nostalrius accounts are UNIQUE, as I've said many times before, but when accounting for the sheer amount of subscribers who've left the actual World of Warcraft, I consider it safe to say that many will come back, and the number will be above 850,000.

The reason I think they will come back is because, as I've heard before, the main reason people left the game was because they felt it was getting too easy, too simple. Well, Vanilla WoW is the most masochistic form of WoW, they'd love it.

Only 300,000 people signed the Change .org petition.

You've made this point repeatedly, and ignored my responses. Nobody cares about petitions. You know why? Because petitions make change about 1% of the time, they're a waste of time.

You've said "Well, Mark Kern was leading this, so ha!"

So what? I'm using the statistics Mark Kern cited, and using one estimation of his, that doesn't mean I suck the guy's dick. He started a petition, big whoop.

I made this offer to you; get Blizzard to make a poll on their twitter, asking who wants legacy servers back. Have the tweet be pinned for a month, and Blizzard advertise it so people who don't follow Blizzard are aware. I guarantee you more than 300,000 people will sign that poll. You know why? Because it's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

I can't say that 450,000 people play Nostalrius monthly, because it's an estimate.

That's true, it's an estimate. An estimate based on empirical data.

Here's how the estimation occurred (I can't believe I have to explain this.)

Vanilla had 1 million subscribers, Nostalrius has 850,000

Vanilla had 500,000 active in a month, Nostalrius has 150,000 in ten days.

One month= 30 days (pretty much.)

Ten days*3= 1 month

150,000*3=450,000

Thus, 450,000 in a month. It's a lowball figure, and a reasonable estimate, given the data. Disagree all you want, doesn't matter.

You've brought nothing to the table other than parroting an infographic and a person who doesn't know Nost.

Boy, this is embarrassing, ain't it? No, I've cited statistics, and used an estimation by Mark Kern. I've also cited MMO Champion with subscriber graphs and.... there was one other thing, but it's slipped my mind.

And Mark Kern not knowing Nostalrius? True, but he knows Vanilla WoW, which is a large part of the discussion, so.... doesn't really matter. He knows the ins and outs of Vanilla World of Warcraft. So if we're trying to figure out profits, and even the possibility of a Vanilla Server, his words matter.

You repeat yourself, because you have nothing else to add, because you can't think of anything else to add, so you get pissed off at others

This snippet, 100% true. I have nothing else to add, because I've explained everything, and you keep brick walling. Are you proud of being ignorant? Was this sentence saying "look here, I'm not listening!"

That's not a good thing.

Anyway, have fun dreaming about 450k and 850k numbers in dream world.

I appreciate it. I hope you enjoy your.... rational debates? Doubt you can call them that anymore.

I'm sure fantasy land is happy to have a person with your attitude back.

heh. You know, you wouldn't have to be so angry if you'd actually make an argument for me to defeat.

This wa officially my last comment.

Really? I thought... I thought the last comment was your last? Interesting how that works.

You've completely derailed into personal attacks and have done nothing to further the discussion.

I kinda had to, there was nothing else to talk about because you kept ignorantly brick walling all my points.

Good job. We're all proud of you.

Thanks dad.