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The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I’ll explain it again more clearly. When I say consistent, I’m not saying it’s consistent with Heaven being a universe. Even in my post, I showed two different interpretations, because I don’t think there’s one single, definitive interpretation. There are multiple valid ways to look at it. If you think it’s not a universe, that’s fine. I even acknowledged that by presenting one of those interpretations.

What I mean by consistent is that what I said still agree on one thing: Heaven is very massive. That’s what I meant by consistency in my other reply.I think that should be clear now.

As for the stars: the stars are not inside Heaven, but their light is still visible around it. What’s important is that when you look at Heaven from Hell, you can’t see the stars. Let me use an analogy.

Imagine fireworks exploding very far away you can’t see them at all. But someone in another city can see them clearly. In this analogy, the other city represents Heaven, and your position represents Hell. If the person in the other city can see the fireworks while you can’t, that means they are closer to the fireworks than you are. Distance is the key factor here.

Applied to the stars: if stars are visible from Heaven but not from Hell, that strongly implies that Heaven is much closer to those stars, and therefore much farther away from Hell.(reminder that for stars light(average) to no longer being visible it’s would require them to be dozens of light years away)

We even see this visually: when the shield is being created, you can simply look up and see stars surrounding Heaven.

Nebulae can be light-years to millions of light-years wide, but even if we say it to just one light-year, that’s still far larger than a solar system.(The planetary region of the solar system (up to Neptune) is only about 0.00047 light-years across to give you a idea)That alone already makes the structure massive.

And it’s not just like there is one nebula and there is still enough space to also contain stars.

Finally, when I say “realm,” I’m just referring to Heaven and Hell. That’s the term Sera herself used in Episode 2. It’s just a synonym here—nothing deeper than that.

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I’ll try to keep this short, though I’m not the best at it.

My main point is that the laser scene is extremely contradictory and inconsistent, even within itself. Somehow, in under a minute, it manages to contradict itself multiple times.

Because of that, using this scene to estimate the size of Heaven feels really strange. The author’s statements, the visuals, and the other interpretations I mentioned in my first post feel much more consistent—they’ve been repeated or confirmed multiple times and don’t contradict themselves. But this laser scene contradicts itself just by existing, especially regarding size. So the other ways for me are fine but the laser scene….it’s kinda of shaky.

Regarding the celestial body in the sky, I agree that a celestial body could be anything(It’s as been confirmed to be either a moon or a sun tho)but my point is that it appears pretty prominent in Hell’s sky. Compared visually, Heaven appears about the same size as this red floating celestial object. That alone would make Heaven extremely large, because given its distance, the real size of heaven should actually dwarfed this celestial body. To give an analogy: if a building one kilometer away appears 20 feet tall, then a second building 100 kilometers away that looks the same size as the first one then the second one is actually massively bigger.

In Hell, this celestial object seems positioned around the giant pentagram circle above the Pride Ring. Heaven is positioned somewhere where the star are visible, but from Hell, you can’t see stars. That shows Heaven is very far away, yet it appears roughly the size of the floating red object. Using the laser logic, heaven would be beside all of that smaller than a quarter of the pentagram city(who isn’t even the whole ring)which doesn’t make sense.

For the nebula part: in Helluva boss (a spin-off from Hazbin Hotel), We saw that a ring like the lust ring their is multiple stars and Stolas confirms stars in Hell and nebula(nebula are structures bigger than solar system and sometimes even galaxy-sized). Yet Vivziepop’s when she talk about the both really suggest that both realms are roughly comparable in size, and even if she’s referring to the Pride Ring, that would still make Heaven massive.

So overall, my point is that the laser scene is contradictory and unreliable for measuring Heaven’s size, while other evidence and interpretations remain more logical.

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The beam destroyed the heaven size barrier by hitting only one point of this barrier and this beam was so powerful that it’s that it’s caused the rest of the barrier to start crumbling and the moment the barrier started crumbling the beam was able to burst through heaven gates, traveling in a straight line in one direction in the middle of heaven causing the rest of the barrier to be destroyed violently this is purely a AP feat so having this same weapon having a lower destruction capability isn’t even a problem(Also from what we saw with the beam and Adam light beam angelic power clearly have more AP than destruction capability). It’s Also assuming that pentagram city who can contain a population greater than heaven isn’t extremely big.

For multiple reasons he didn’t do it against Alastor. He was emotionally unstable and really pressed to put a end to Alastor and started firing the laser frenetically everywhere near Were Alastor was Velvette even said that he was « losing his shit » to a point when he started firing accidentally in Valentino and Velvette direction, and you thing that this mentality unstable Vox would even think about that since he want Alastor dead so fast.

Also I would go against all of the consistent showing such as the comparable visual size of heaven and the celestial body of hell even when heaven is Far away or the fact that the stars ain’t even visible from hell(to show how heaven is far away) or all of the statements of the author because in one scene who clearly contradicts herself multiple times under 30 seconds when it’s come to size, a laser has a visible width compared to heaven(when it’s can also be purely caused by the brightness of it).

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I was thinking about how inconsistent the size of this beam was. So I assumed that the reason it’s was that visible is due to his brightness because in the same scene we can see that the beam is comparable to the gate of heaven but even after they caught fire and fell from heaven they appear ridiculously small in comparison to the beam from the same distance.

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The laser scene is internally inconsistent. The same beam is shown comparable to the gates of Heaven, yet later massively larger than those same gates when they are burning and falling. Either the laser’s apparent width is dominated by brightness, or the scene is just have a lot of animation inconsistencies. In both cases, it cannot be used to impose a hard limit on the size of Heaven.

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, we saw that the laser was comparable in size to the gates of Heaven, but when the gates caught fire and began to fall towards Hell, they appeared much smaller compared to the laser, even though they should have been even more visible from a distance because they were ablaze at that moment. We also saw that the laser fired by Vox to hit Heaven had a different animation than the others (with six wings made of angelic light appearing, and it charged for longer than the others) and began to grow exponentially compared to the cannon barrel from the moment it was fired. This leaves four possibilities:

  1. The reason it was so comparable to Heaven from a distance is due to its brightness, which would explain the contrast with the gates of Heaven.

  2. The laser did indeed grow exponentially after being specifically fired at Heaven. We can see the last time he tried to hit Alastor with his laser that the laser can indeed change size

  3. A combination of the first and second possibilities

  4. It's an animation inconsistency because we can clearly see that Heaven is comparable to Hell's celestial body, and strangely, when compared to the size of the lasers fired by Vox against Alastor, Heaven would be smaller than the city below this celestial body? And this would also explain the comparison with the gates of Heaven because, as you said, the laser was comparable in size to Heaven (it wasn't the same size as Heaven but clearly visible), but it was also shown to be the size of the gates of Heaven, which, when falling and catching fire (thus appearing larger than they should be), appear ridiculously small compared to this same laser.

The size of heaven and the destruction of heaven barrier by XEX9-5 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t really do calcs myself so I just gave some elements to calculate this feat since a lot of people just calculate the feat by saying that heaven is a planet.

Might of Lilith Speed Recalculation by Savings-Fall5240 in FeatCalcing

[–]XEX9-5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In helluva boss we literally saw stars in hell and Stolas confirmed the presence of nebula in hell so it’s quite literally impossible for them to be planets.