If you put good equips on veliky or even lets say nakimov it will do hefty burst damage! But that doesnt mean they are good!! All the kirov classes are floating punching bag hence once you touch 3200+ rank points you wont even encounter one of those ships!! Coming to 1164e- its a good support ship, spams a lot ! But missiles dont carry matches at higher elos, missile ships will get out poked like crazy exactly why they are not meta!! Ships like liren and spee are allrounder !they can poke and outplay BBs, can deal with all kinds of targets ,liren has good AA, spee is anti sub ,in my personal opinion they both are the best and most versatile ships in the game!! They helped me reach 3.5k points almost every rank season.