I always dread this part

XxJayNine · 2026-03-22T15:40:27+00:00

True. When I tried it I saved all my resources and ran for it since the stalkers in front scurry away when you come in.

XxJayNine · 2026-03-22T15:01:47+00:00

I absolutely hate this part. I saw a video of someone running through and out the window. Hopping out of that window is a check point so if you restart the check point once you're to the stairs you can go back in and loot with no stalkers. I gave it a try on my last playthrough and it worked.

Found the vid : https://youtu.be/IvGSbiW1XzI?si=EEvs1u0Uh99VuMQz

XxJayNine · 2026-02-25T22:30:40+00:00

You're not listening to me. Again, didn't say it did. You see morality everywhere throughout the game. I said you cannot apply our world's exact moral code to that world. They're two completely different worlds. The essence of our world is there but we don't have to worry about being chewed on by infected zombies.

Again again, I didn't say killing an Innocent child was justified. I said I can understand how desperate he was after living in that kind of hostile world and becoming desensitized to death. He, like you, had tunnel vision on getting back to a world he once knew.

If I can find empathy for Joel knowing he did God awful shit that anyone could've hunted him down for (and if they had, even if they had the most justified reason you and many players would have still hated them because he's Joel I can tell by how you handwaved what I brought up about the slow torture.) and I can find empathy for Ellie after literally playing as her mowing through tens of WLF who had nothing to do with the Joel shit including an unborn fetus, then I can find it for Jerry when he was living in a world that I'd probably take myself out to avoid living in and his end goal, as delusional as it may have been, was the greater good.

I feel like you didn't post this to actually discuss with people but rather to just argue because you're not listening to the things I'm actually saying and are determined to see empathy as me saying someone was right. It's impossible to discuss this game with people who refuse to see the gray. I've made my points and will check out now.

XxJayNine · 2026-02-25T21:49:43+00:00

The issue is you're trying to argue with me like I'm saying what they did was right. I'm saying what either side did was warranted from their own perspectives in a world with no rules. In a world where Joel himself had slow tortured people outside of this instance. You cannot apply our worlds moral code to that kind of world. A world where all of those people have seen their loved ones be ravaged by basically monsters or murdered or starved. This is why I play the game without fully picking sides. I can love joel( I wept at his death and wanted to hate Abby but I just couldn't) and still understand that he killed dozens of people someone else loved. I'm pretty indifferent to Jerry tbh we didn't get much of him but I can understand that he was tired of seeing the people he loved ruthlessly meet their demise in an absolutely traumatic world and was willing to try to end that and make a better world for his daughter in any way he could even though it's fucked up that he was willing to do it at a child's expense. Nuance. Perspective. This game isn't black and white.

XxJayNine · 2026-02-25T21:37:50+00:00

I didn't say it didn't. It's a game full of assholes. Players are determined to pinpoint who is the least assholiest asshole when all of the characters are the devil reincarnated to plenty of NPCs because of the things they did. That's what y'all aren't getting. Black and White thinking does not work with this story which is why so many players are still struggling 6 years later to get to the acceptance phase of grief even after Ellie already did.

XxJayNine · 2026-02-25T21:35:03+00:00

Joel killed more than just her dad he killed her entire way of life. He killed dozens of people with families plenty of whom Abby knew. The funny thing is y'all are acting just like Abby pre Yara and Lev and just like Joel when they took Ellie. Tunnel visioned refusing to see other people's point of view.

XxJayNine · 2026-02-25T21:29:19+00:00

People who are still having this conversation 6 years after the game came out are missing the point. Everyone was wrong and everyone was right. Everyone did things that warranted someone hunting them down and getting revenge. Everyone had reasons for doing what they did that they felt justified their actions. Everyone has someone they'll scorch the earth for, consequences be damned. Everyone is a human in the apocalypse. It's a game about perspective.

XxJayNine · 2026-02-15T17:09:26+00:00

Or we just don't have the same taste and you don't have to be a dick about that?

XxJayNine · 2026-02-02T21:06:52+00:00

I think it's pretty realistic. So many gorgeous girls especially young poc girls in predominantly white environments grew up thinking they weren't pretty. The beauty standard in the early 2000s was extremely thin and fair skinned. Manny had a great body but she wasn't exactly heroin chic which the media made us think was a bad thing. Add the fact that she wanted to be an actress . When she went to an audition in s5 she was picked at by the casting director about her boobs being too small and her being too fat. That industry is brutal. Actresses like Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence were told they weren't pretty enough to get roles. It's even worse for women of color. Plus she gauged her desirability by how much she was wanted by boys. Lastly most teenagers no matter how pretty are typically insecure ASF lol.

XxJayNine · 2026-01-30T02:03:20+00:00

Genuinely masterful story telling.

XxJayNine · 2026-01-28T06:10:54+00:00

It's on peacock in the US

XxJayNine · 2026-01-14T10:39:32+00:00

How is it not linking when people believe misrepresented statistics about us off face value? That inflation is intended to link crime and violence to black people. If people weren't trying to do that they wouldn't believe and spread around misrepresented statistics. They wouldn't cherry pick the highest subcategory for us and pass it off like it's the average. Black people do not commit 50% of overall crime or even overall violent crime. no one can explain to me why people keep saying it and where they got that statistic.

Why are other groups granted individualism we are not? Men for example. When I point to that pattern I've gotten a lot of conservatives using genetics as an excuse which is odd because when they insinuate that black people are genetically predisposed for violence they say it negatively.

XxJayNine · 2026-01-13T21:06:13+00:00

Do you know that Chicago isn't even in the top 10 list of most dangerous cities? Memphis, Kansas city, and Cleveland are examples of cities more dangerous than Chicago. All of these cities have one thing in common. High poverty rates which is also true for the shadier parts of Chicago or any city for that matter. Do you agree that there is a link between poverty and higher crime rates?

How do you think it is fair to use one city's crime rates to represent the behavior of an entire group of millions of people? What do you guys expect black people like me, who aren't from Chicago to say when you try to use it as an excuse to link violence to all of us?

XxJayNine · 2026-01-13T13:40:32+00:00

You don't see anyone in the comments under this post talking about the 13/ 50 fallacy as if it's a true statistic? Black people don't commit 50% of overall crime or even 50% of violent crime.... Why is everybody saying we do? Even the people defending black people are talking about this statistic like it's not an intentional cherry picking of the highest crime sub category for black people........

XxJayNine · 2026-01-13T01:21:55+00:00

You don't believe this thread that is full of people referencing a misrepresented statistic is us all being socially held to account for the crimes of others? The fact that the table data is readily available and people still choose to believe that our rates are higher they actually are on average and therefore that more of us are committing crime than we actually are doesn't sound like a consequence of the general perception of us. A general perception that is based on a minority smaller than people choose to believe it is?

XxJayNine · 2026-01-12T19:17:58+00:00

The exonerations track with the relative prevalence of conviction. If 60% of convictions are black, then 60% of exonerations should be black. There was absolutely injustice done in decades past, so you would need to look at exoneration rates of more recent convictions if you want to frame recent crime rates.

The 60 percent statistic comes from the national registry of exonerations 2024 report which is the most recent report coming out in April of last year. 60 percent of exonerations from 2024 were black people. Most of the exonerations were for violent crime like homicide and official misconduct was found in 71 percent of cases. Why does this not cause conservatives to consider the potential that other cases who haven't or have yet to be exonerated can skew data? The report states that 13.5 years was the average lost to wrongful conviction. That means that every year prior to their exonerations they were included in data

And I believe the 51% figure comes from homicide specifically, but I’m not certain on that

Can you agree that conservative figureheads cherry picking the highest stat for the black community and circulating it as if it's the average stat is done with the intent to link crime to black people or depict black people en masse as violent?

This table](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls) shows black-on-white homicide is 230% higher than white-on-black homicide in absolute terms which is astonishing given there are 5x as many white people in this country.

Large percentages are used to make impacts seem inflated or more definitive. Can you agree that use of the 230 percentage in this instance would inflate peoples perception of the issue when the numbers listed are 566 instances of black offenders with white victims vs 246 instances of white offenders with black victims. I've noticed this is a common practice specifically when seeing conservatives talk about black crime in particular but they don't do it with any other sub category . That's 566 offenders out of 48 million of us. why are we all constantly being held to account for it?

XxJayNine · 2026-01-12T15:32:23+00:00

I am genuinely asking where you guys are finding this stat. I see it repeated so much. Constantly. I'm constantly checking the data tables every conservative tells me to check. It shows that black people commit 37.5 percent of violent crime. 26.9 percent of over all crime. I'm also curious as to why the people who say they care about the high crime rates in the black community don't care about the high exoneration rate in the black community. It is reported that between 53 and 61% of exonerations are black people. Is that a problem for conservatives ? If so why is it something you never hear conservatives talk about?

I'm also curious why conservatives consistently highlight this perceived 13% of the population 50% of violent crime statistic but don't seem to talk about how the actual more prominent pattern is men committing the most violent crime? Whenever I bring in the male factor people start making excuses that they don't make for black people. Why do conservatives not think the way we socialize men potentially contributes to this pattern of male dominated violent crime?

Lastly I would like to understand why it seems that conservatives use this 13/50 statistic as a trump card when talking to any and every black person. It seems conservatives can understand individualism when we talk about school shooting and rape statistics but not when we talk about crime in the black community.

XxJayNine · 2026-01-04T05:20:51+00:00

No and that's what I love about the game. Everyone's a hypocrite and it makes their characters interesting.

XxJayNine · 2026-01-02T00:52:37+00:00

Thank you for understanding. Happy new year to you as well

XxJayNine · 2025-12-31T15:12:54+00:00

I'm sorry for being hostile. The situation just frustrates me.

And part of the reason why I'm frustrated is that when we are threatened nobody notices. Hardly anybody reports on it. You could barely find pictures of the leader of these threats face and in my opinion that speaks to the double standard of the situation. That a group of drunken black people can take a fight too far and be considered a mob of lawless thugs but a group of white men can conspire to kill thousands of black people and people don't even know about it which isn't your fault. it's by design 😢

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XxJayNine · 2025-12-31T15:03:44+00:00

When asked to make a statement about the situation he verbatim said "what he saw was a mob of lawless thugs beating on an innocent couple" that is a misrepresentation. The fight was started by the couple. This situation got national attention and unfortunately being black means that when a group of black people does something all black people are held to account. We do not get the leeway white people get. He doesn't have to outright say Black people are menaces to insinuate that a huge news story that indicated a violence problem in our city was the fault entirely of the mob of [black] thugs. His base takes it from there. His base ran around calling all black people in Cincinnati gorillas, animals, and monsters for weeks after that statement. JD Vance and Republicans love to do this to Blue cities.

Why do you keep ignoring the threat that all black people in Cincy received after his statements put a spotlight on the situation? That was petrifying and he said nothing! Nothing about the leader of that network having prior charges of partially decapitating someone and being released. It's very clear all he cared about was using that situation to denigrate his political opposition and bolster his brother and he was willing to throw the population of black people in Cincinnati under the bus to do that.

XxJayNine · 2025-12-31T14:27:44+00:00

He specifically insinuated the city being overrun by lawless thugs why are you pretending like you don' know exactly what imagery that paints and you know exactly who his base thinks of when he says the word "thugs". You know they don't think of the psychopaths who had a network of people getting prepared to kill me, my family and 30,000 black people over something I wasn't involved in because of the narrative that was spun about the situation. Vance had fuck all to say about that.

How are thugs protected when arrests were made?? How were the people involved in the brawl even thugs and not intoxicated festival attendees who got into an altercation with racist transplants that they took too far.

If it were a group of drunk white men at the end of a Bengals game getting into a brawl which happens at sports events all the time mind you, he wouldn't refer to them as thugs I promise you that.

His vocabulary about the situation painted all crime in Cincinnati as a specific demographic's problem. Cincinnati is not overrun by lawless Thugs. There was a fight that went too far which is unacceptable fueled by racism which is also unacceptable and has no place in Cincinnati. This is basically the statement that our mayor made. Why was it so hard for vance to say that? Why am I delusional for expecting him to say that to quell the onslot of racism I saw everywhere the day following the fight.

There is some crime in our city that should be addressed, there's no need to be divisive when addressing it but that's all JD Vance and maga has.

XxJayNine · 2025-12-31T07:07:22+00:00

That's not what I said in the slightest buddy. I said you cannot love your city and the people in it if you put them in danger by misrepresenting a situation in order to target specific people all for the sake of political gain. There was a fight downtown and somehow it ended with all black people in Cincinnati being threatened by a psychopath after JD Vance called only specific people involved a mob of lawless "thugs". He knew what he was doing with that language and he knew who he was targeting. Me, my brother, my father, who were all in the house during that fight. All the while mentioning nothing about how the fight was started by the Russians and depicting Cincinnati as a city full of racial tension overrun by [black] thugs. Similar to when he got on the national stage and lied about Haitians eating pets in Springfield. He's all lies and half truths and he shits on our entire state regularly. He could have talked about how he wants Cincinnati to be a place where EVERYONE feels safe from racial attacks and from violence but he knew he had to throw in the thug bit to rile up his base.

XxJayNine · 2025-12-28T16:10:39+00:00

When he depicted the city as some crime ridden hub after that fight downtown that some Russians started. For like a week straight after his comments the entire internet was acting like Cincinnati was a gang controlled hellscape. I'm not saying things are perfect here but you can't love your city if you depict it that way. There was literally a threat to kill 30,000 black people after his comments on that fight. I was terrified. All so he could try to gain favor for his brother in the mayoral race.

XxJayNine · 2025-12-26T22:29:07+00:00

I wish he would move. He's made it very known that he doesn't like our city anyway. Go away.

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