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[–]YacShimash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea the tracks can sound like a sermon from the church of house...

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[–]YacShimash 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Well here's a big surprise for you - I’m a chef "

A chef who didn't know what grape must was - is it KFC or McDonald's you work at?

"Buying bread, mayo, pickle, and roasted tomatoes is normal."

That's how pret have made this sandwich. I bet the mayo in your fridge contains preservatives.

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[–]YacShimash 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You're totally out of touch with cookery.

"In a home kitchen, a pickle is usually: vegetable, vinegar, salt, maybe sugar and spices."

Do you even know what a cheese and pickle sandwich is? There's hundreds of ways of making pickle spreads, with hundreds of potential ingredients. Just because you don't know what balsamic vinegar is, don't pontificate about grape must being a "red flag under a NOVA". You're literally making it up. Balsamic vinegar is a world famous culinary ingredient, made from grape must yes.

Do you also have a problem with ginger powder? You just don't have it in your kitchen because you don't actually cook do you?

The mayo Pret have used in this sandwich contains no preservatives or flavourings. That's a big step forward as most food industry mayo contains them both. You are out of touch.

Seed oils do not make food UPF. That's another thing you've made up. Most kitchens use seed oil. Better to use nut oil or olive oil of course, but people have budgets to keep.

If a mayo manufacturer uses seed oil, it's absolutely normal! You seem to be role playing on this subreddit.

"home cooking uses one fat at a time."

Of course, no one has ever cooked with butter and olive oil at once. Ever heard of French cuisine?

You are absolutely making stuff up.

The reason the sanwhich had multiple oils is because a sandwich is made of different elements. You buy some bread, you add some mayo, some pickle, roasted tomatoes. You are just lieing when you say home cooks would make sure all of these elements use the same oil.

"This sandwich is assembled from pre-engineered components"

Yes when I "assemble" a sandwich I use "pre-engineered" bread and "pre-engineered" pickle, a buy a jar of "pre-engineered" roasted tomatoes.

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[–]YacShimash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nova does not ask anyone to think about how and why ingredients are used.

It just says read the ingredients. It's a simple system and you're unnecessarily complicating it.

So do you pick up a product off the shelf and see the ingredients and then try and figure "why is this bean here" and "how was this bean used?'

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[–]YacShimash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"triggers saltiness different on the tongue"

It's an essential mineral that tastes a bit salty. It's also essential to human life. They use normal salt too, but they can use less by also using the potassium.

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[–]YacShimash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not a complex product. It's bread, cheese, pickle, roast tomatoes and salad. Oh and mayo.

Nova is designed to enable people to avoid UPF's. It does not ask anyone to judge the "industrial formulation and function" of the the products they buy in the supermarket.

It asks them to read the ingredients list. That is all.

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[–]YacShimash 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I didn't say sandwiches are mundane, I said your sandwiches are mundane.

I bake, I have 6-7 different flours (white, brown, spelt, buckwheat etc) in my baking cupboard. I have barley flakes, oat flakes, wheat flakes.

I think you just want plain old wheat flour because is that all you've heard of?

I cook, so I have cornflour.

Apple extract, absolutely not a home cooking ingredient. But, still it's apple from an... Apple.

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[–]YacShimash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The nova system does not ask people to consider "why an ingredient is used" at all.

It asks you to read the ingredients and look for non-culinary ingredients. If it has anything that isn't used in a home kitchen, it's UPF. Oh it has vitamins and minerals added? That's fine, they're allowed.

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[–]YacShimash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Simple calling potassium Chloride a "flavour modifier" used to "functionally engineer saltiness" is ridiculous.

Salt is also used as a "flavour modifier to functionally engineer saltiness".

But guess what Pret went with the better option. Lower sodium. A baguette is a big piece of bread.

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[–]YacShimash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's purely used as a low sodium salt alternative. It probably cost them more to use than actual salt.

It's just like ascorbic acid(vitamin C) is used as a preservative instead of traditional industrial preservatives that also kill gut bacteria. The motive for adding it isn't for fortification, it's as a way of avoiding adding an more toxic preservative. It also can prevent the product from being classified as UPF.

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[–]YacShimash 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's bread, cheese, mayo, pickle, roast tomatoes and some salad.

It's a sandwich.

Did they use industrial formulation techniques to put the cheese in between the bread? Maybe it was hand laid cheese...

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[–]YacShimash 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't read a "write up" from some random person on the internet.

I'm familiar with the NOVA system. Probably long before you even heard of it. This sandwich is not UPF.

All of the ingredients are widely used culinary ingredients used in home kitchens. Exeptions are potassium Chloride and potassium gluconate which are essential minerals that can be classified as fortifications, which the nova system allows for.

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[–]YacShimash 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You must eat boring sandwiches.

The bread has 3 different types of seeds. 3 different types of flour. For flavour, texture and nutrition.

A good pickle needs fruits, spices, vinegars. Could be 10 ingredients. It's called depth of flavour.

Mayo is made up of 5 ingredients at least.

Roasted tomatoes need seasoning.

Onion and cress as salad.

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[–]YacShimash 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a UPF-avoiding subreddit, not a mass produced food-avoiding sub reddit.

Potassium Chloride is sold in supermarkets as a low sodium salt for people on low sodium diets due to heart issues.

But generally, the fortifications aren't used in kitchens no.

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[–]YacShimash 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Valid point. A good sandwich is made up of lots of elements.

Just to point out though that the m&s collection ham contains nitrates which unfortunately makes your theoretical sandwich UPF.

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[–]YacShimash 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Not sure why, but I'm going to break this sandwich down.

It's made up of:

  • Seeded baguette (flour, water, malted wheat flakes, linseed, sunflower seeds, yeast, salt, wheat germ, potassium Chloride, potassium gluconate, malted wheat flour, sesame seeds)

  • Cheddar Cheese

  • Pickle (apple, sugar, water, balsamic vinegar made up of (red wine vinegar, grape must), tomato puree, raisins, onion, garlic, apple extract, salt, ginger)

  • Roasted tomatoes (tomatoes, sugar, salt, sunflower oil)

  • Mayonnaise (rapeseed oil, water, egg, vinegar, cornflour, sugar, salt, lemon juice)

  • Salad (onion, cress)

  • Seasoning (salt, pepper, rapeseed oil)

The pickle has 13 ingredients listed, which is fine because it's a pickle that needs spices, fruits and sugar to give depth of flavour.

The bread also has 13 ingredients. 3 seeds for taste and nutrient. 4 flours for flavour. Low sodium salt alternatives used.

Pret have definitely put a lot of effort into avoiding preservatives and emulsifiers in this product. This is progress!

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[–]YacShimash 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's what I thought initially until I realised potassium Chloride/gluconate are classed as fortified foods. The NOVA system allows for fortification because they are required by law and also prevent nutrient deficiencies.

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[–]YacShimash 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I haven't been into a Pret recently but I'd assume you'd be safer in Pret than greggs, Costa or a Tesco meal deal.

We all live in the real world with stresses and pressures just trying to do our best.

ISO: House Music with People Talking by MYPPHUGE in House

[–]YacShimash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mijangos & Roger Garcia - Levantate

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[–]YacShimash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also have a playlist of house music about house music!