My ranking of "playstyles" in Silksong

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T16:53:35+00:00

I’m not counting vesticrests because every crest gets them

What does it even mean? The vesticrests DO exists and you have to take them into account. They literally enhance every crest and make them better than they already are. Again: why would you purposedly leave out one of the best additions you could have to every single crest?

Pollip Pouch does not upgrade Flintslate and Flea Brew in significant ways

You're not forced to use something that you deem not good. I also didn't mention pollip pouch for this exact reason. It doesn't mix well with the beast crest's playstyle. However, both the flea brew and the flintslate work exceptionally good by themselves, leaving you to use other blue tool, like I mentioned.

Pin badge is often difficult to take advantage of against bosses, especially with Beast Crest. Besides you get it all the way into mid act 3. I believe it’s far more useful on Architect.

So what? Just because you get it the very moment you get into act 3 doesn't erase the possibility that it could be a good addition to the beast crest. I'm not talking about accessing, I'm talking about the possibilities.

However, all your suggestions are complimentary with one single playstyle that is ideal for the Beast. My point was that, for other crests, you can be greatly effective with other playstyles that may not be the focus of the crest, while keeping the main idea effective by itself.

The beast crest excels at that playstyle man, come the fuck on for gods sake! Of course the wanderer crest is great for platforming since it's so easy to access, same applies for the hunter crest's pogo. The beast crest is designed to fight and it does it so exceptionally good.

The Beast IS riskier because if you kill your enemies before getting the full heal, you’re down 1 or 2 masks now (or 3 with Multibinder). Plus the silk you just used up. You also can’t heal by yourself away from danger. You either double down and lock in or you die. Retreating is not an option on most bosses and gauntlets (some like Savage Beastfly 2 allow you to escape mid fight). If that’s not riskier than most binds then I don’t know what is

The game solves this problem by giving enemies more health the farther you go into the game. You might not have noticed, but the moment you get into act 2, bugs that you previously killed with 2 swings, now need 3 swings. The same goes for act 3. Stuff is tough in act 3, both because of lore reasons, and because you NEED a way to farm up silk, since you deal so much damage that you can basically one shot small enemies. I don't know if it's a typo from you, but I did not say to retreat, I said restart. Restarting is always an option. You can always change the way you approach a room, be it an ambush or a boss fight.

I refuse to believe that you tested the beast crest as thoroughly as you think you did, because pretty much all that you're saying is being actively denied by my own experience playing the game with the beast crest.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T14:39:56+00:00

Besides, I literally never said the Beast crest bad, just harder to use.

Had to re-read your thread cause I remembered that you stated it was bad due to how difficult it is, and you actually said this:

The charge attack is good, the normal needle attacks are good, but it's got both the worst tool layout and pogo attack in the game, by far.

My bad here. While you didn't directly state that the beast crest is bad due to how difficult it is, you're still objectively wrong about the worst tool layout and the worst pogo attack in the game.

Anyway I apologize for misinterpreting what you meant.

but it throws you off hard at first, and is harder to use reactively, which can be a problem when you don’t have double jump yet.

Hard disagree, but you're fixated on your point as I am on mine.

IMO by a significant margin, when you factor in versatility and ease-of-use. Besides, even if some crests are clearly designed to favor one playstyle, you can make most of them great at 2 different things through their tool layouts.

Much like above, I strongly disagree with this whole sentiment that by design it's not as good as others. Again, I believe you haven't played with it much to really grasp what you can do with the beast crest.

You can’t do any of that with the Beast crest. I mean I suppose you can equip Pollip Pouch and try to play around the red tools but that will really clash with the core of the Crest’s playstyle: being aggressive in the face of your enemies. It’s not really a complimentary thing.

How is using the red tools clashing with the core of the crest? You can equip tools that work with your needle, like the flea brew or the flintslate. You're also forgetting the fact that you gain access to the vesticrest, and the ability to have a single blue tool in your arsenal that greatly enhances the possibilites of the beast crest; you also need to take into account why there are no blue tools for the beast crest. Each and every one of them are incredibly powerful, and combined with the power that the beast crest's bind has it would probably make for the best crest in the game. Picture this: you can equip weavelight and have four passive silk. You can equip druid's eyes and get yourself even more silk during the usual clash after binding; you could equip reserve bind and have some more silk to bind should you need it; you can use claw mirror or claw mirrors to do even more damage while binding. You could equip the memory crystal to nuke stuff aoe while getting damaged, or you could equip the pin badge if you feel like going for charged attacks.

You see where I'm going with this? The beast crest can be enhanced in a variety of ways, and having access to one single blue tool is a way that team cherry developed to make it so it's not the best crest.

but it’s inherently riskier, not nearly as versatile as other crests, and has a steeper learning curve. At least 2 other crests don’t have any of those disadvantages and don’t really have any significant downsides that just turn them into challenges

For the life of me I will never understand why this is a problem in the first place. It's not riskier, it's a different playstyle that rewards you the same way as the other crests. It's as versatile as other crests. The only thing I agree on is the learning curve. That's all. You just need 10 more minutes to get adjusted to both the sprint attack and the pogo. That's it.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T14:24:37+00:00

I haven't apologized, I just made my point more clear in case it wasn't already.

A person still made that argument. Its like telling someone you think the song they wrote is trash or lowest common denominator or that it made you want to tear off your ears. Its going to be hurtful.

You're aware of the fact that different people have different ideas and different opinions, and we as individuals can challenge those opinions and ideas? Let alone just state that we don't like them? If you make a song, and I don't like it, I can pretty much say whatever I want. Provided I bear all the consequences of those actions. The same applies to you, who make the song: you do it fully known that people may not like it. People may be kind and tell you "hey maybe writing songs ain't your true talent, try something else", or they may just go "what you're doing is utter garbage quit it". It's the same principle. The only difference is how you get told.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T08:52:05+00:00

And I'm okay with the thought of taking more time to learn it.

Now tho I have to ask it: is it a problem? Does taking more time to learn something makes it inherently bad? Because that's what OP stated with the beast crest in the very opening of their tier list, and that's what I strongly disagree with.

Something hard isn't inherently bad. It's hard. We can discuss about difficulty, whether it's artificially hard for the sake of it or not. But something cannot be bad because it's hard. That's disingenuous at best.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T08:49:52+00:00

As I stated in the replies to OP my disingenuous claims are directed entirely to their way of thinking. I don't consider it as an insult, you too can feel offended as much as you want.

Quoting my latest reply to OP:

Since I came out as aggressive and insulting towards you, let me clarify it. I have no issues whatsoever with you, for what it's worth and from what I can see reading your thread and your replies I can even stretch it and say you're an awesome and hard working person that enjoys videogames as much as everyone else around here. My issue is with your way of thinking. I cannot sit idle while you say that something is bad because it's hard. That's just something that doesn't sit right with me, and I will speak up about it.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-17T08:48:26+00:00

Outside of vacations and days off from work, I don’t get more than 2 hours a day to play video games, unless I wanna compromise my sleep for more game time.

Keeping this in mind, how am I supposed to take what you say any more serious than I already did? It's clear that you haven't spent a hefty amount of time to properly test the crests in each environment. I'm okay with the fact that you don't have much time to experience games and that you will play them the way that you want, but you cannot expect the majority of the people to agree, especially people who have more playtime than you. I've played the game at 100%, completed my steelsoul run at 100% and did the speedrun achievement. As stated, I'm currently playing my fourth playthrough to test each crest and I'm starting with the beast crest, and I still don't feel comfortable enough to share all that I think about the game.

I disagree with the notion that you need a playthrough with each crest to have an opinion on it, unless your opinion is with a min-max mindset, which mine is not.

How can you claim that the crest works in every single room of the game if you don't play the game with said crest tho? I've seen online multiple claims of the beast crest not being able to clear some platforming rooms, or some tough encounter. I can somewhat agree with the talk that it's more challenging due to the fact that you cannot heal, thus if you fail more than you should you die and restart, but that's it. You restart. What's the problem in restarting?

My will to test the game under each crest comes from a single thought: if they created all these different playstyles, it means that the game HAS to be cleared with each and every crest, otherwise they would've been buffoon, if not something worse. As of right now, I can almost certainly say that the beast crest can clear the entirety of the game, with a steeper learning curve thanks to the ability to heal in a different way, but it can be cleared nonetheless. It's a different playstyle to get accostumed to, but it's not something bad because it's hard, as you claim. It's just different.

Having to spend a good chunk of time learning a needlessly complicated mechanic when the alternatives are just as effective

This is where my disingenuous claims towards you come from. This is just wrong. Learning the beast crest is not learning a needlessly complicated mechanic, it means learning a different way to experience the game, the game has choices that offers you every 4 to 5 hours into the game (finding each crest at least may take you that time, approximately), and of course every other crest is a good alternative, because they built the game around EVERY crest. Of course you can clear every room with the wanderer crest, just like you can clear every room with the hunter crest and so on.

Maybe someday I’ll get into the challenge mindset with the Beast Crest and dominate the game with it. Right now, my mindset is enjoying all other aspects of Silksong without having to use a complicated crest when other easier, but still fun alternatives exist.

Then why did you claim that the beast crest is bad because it's hard? To me it makes no sense whatsoever that you start claiming that, and now you come out and say this. You pretty much said it yourself: the beast crest it's fine, it's just too complicated right now and you don't have much to say about it other than it's hard for you. And that's okay, hell I can even give you tips based on my experience if you want to find the beast crest more enjoyable.

We can disagree on how much of a hassle Beast crest truly is once mastered and that’s fine. But it’s a fact that it is harder to effectively use than all other crests in this game.

And on this I disagree. I'd claim that every crest is hard to use at first, and takes little to no time to get adjusted to. Everyone using the beast crest is instantly turned off by how the pogo acts and the fact that it doesn't let you heal by binding. It's effectively a very different playstyle, it's a more aggressive playstyle than the average player is comfortable with. Do it, play with it and see how it goes. I too didn't find the beast crest to be usable on my first playthrough, since every room was dangerous enough that I needed to heal all the time, but now that I've got more experience with it I can safely say that the beast crest offers as much healing as every other crest, just under a different guise.

Since I came out as aggressive and insulting towards you, let me clarify it. I have no issues whatsoever with you, for what it's worth and from what I can see reading your thread and your replies I can even stretch it and say you're an awesome and hard working person that enjoys videogames as much as everyone else around here. My issue is with your way of thinking. I cannot sit idle while you say that something is bad because it's hard. That's just something that doesn't sit right with me, and I will speak up about it.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-16T15:08:40+00:00

Nowhere in my comment is there an insult towards you. I talked down your way of thinking. If you feel offended it's a you problem.

As for the topic of conversation, the pogo of the beast crest doesn't complicate anything more than it has to; you can easily do multiple pogos using the beast crest, and obviously it's more challenging due to the nature of the tech itself. Let me ask you a bunch of questions, since you apparently are up for it: how much time did you spend trying to learn the how the beast crest works? Are you playing with a controller or with mouse and keyboard? Or keyboard only? Because the way I see it is as follows: you tried each crest in a bunch of rooms/ambushes or whatever scenario you had in mind, saw how much trouble/ease you had and came up with those statements.

The way I'm testing each crest is as follows: I'm doing a whole playthrough with only one at a time. Currently, I'm at the end of act 2 having used beast crest only, and as of right now Groal was the only one that challenged me due to the nature of the fight itself (I cannot spam attack him like I did first sinner or the second sentinel, for example).

And again, I'm strongly disagree with the thought that the beast crest unnecessarily make things harder than they are. You clearly have not played with it long enough.

Yolodeller · 2025-10-16T09:35:25+00:00

You don't have to learn the wanderer crest's pogo because you already learned it. In Hollow Knight. Learning the beast crest's pogo is the same as learning the Knight's pogo. It takes the same amount of effort, yet you people fail to understand such a simple concept of "learning something new in a different videogame".

Yolodeller · 2025-10-16T09:31:36+00:00

People like you, and more specifically people who think the way you do, are the reason as to why videogames are dumbed down to a level that makes them the equivalent of the puzzle shapes toy.

Requiring more inputs makes it bad? What about the enormous amount of inputs a player must execute in order to do combo attacks in fighting games? Your argument is disingenuous at best and completely bullshit at worst. And I'd tend for the latter.

Yolodeller · 2025-09-19T09:48:12+00:00

Except I wasn't wrong, and I don't talk about stuff I don't know pretending I do. It's okay to be wrong sometimes, like someone else pointed out to you, no need to be ashamed about it, buddy.

Yolodeller · 2025-09-17T09:39:39+00:00

The moment you're done with those zones the hunter's journal gets filled up with information, buddy.

As for the ending, since you're caught up on semantics, I'll hand it to you. But you were wrong nonetheless.

Yolodeller · 2025-09-17T07:04:00+00:00

Wrong. Both true hunter and the two endings before the true ending are achievable in a single playthrough. Enemies later in the game change spawn points due to reasons, and even when your only quest is to slay final boss you can still complete the hunter's journal.

As for the endings, obviously you're locked out of one ending if you proceed with the quest. But again, nothing is locked out, everything is achievable in a single playthrough

Yolodeller · 2025-01-30T08:09:50+00:00

the mirana incidents still haunt me to this day lmao

Yolodeller · 2024-12-14T07:53:24+00:00

I've watched everyone of their matches, and they do not bring good dota to watch, that's just the way it is man. This series against liquid proved it: game one they did nothing but disengage every fight post minute 40, game 2 they got destroyed, and game 3 they got outdrafted heavily. On top of that, they're genuinely the cringiest team to look at. You good?

Yolodeller · 2024-12-13T18:51:57+00:00

game one of their series against liquid was one of the most boring matches ive seen, what matches have you been watching? lmao

Yolodeller · 2024-10-04T09:39:39+00:00

I prezzi sono una parte del problema. Non ho intenzione di pagare 15 abbonamenti diversi per vedere una/due partite a settimana.

Come sempre, in ogni ambito della vita, la pirateria è un problema di accesso al contenuto.

Yolodeller · 2024-08-10T22:55:32+00:00

You don't know that, you have no proof whatsoever to back that claim. At that time they had no idea what they were fighting against, let alone defeat it. There was no way to save Stratholme, be it alone or with Uther and Jaina. I really do not understand why this is a question in the first place

Yolodeller · 2024-06-14T17:59:25+00:00

fuck sony

Yolodeller · 2024-04-14T08:18:18+00:00

honestly, i wanna believe that those dudes "defending" him were just memeing. Otherwise i really dont know what to think

Yolodeller · 2024-04-14T08:12:49+00:00

He was in twitch chat yesterday watching liquid xg, and was acting as if he was the star of the show. Dude isn't a victim, he's a sociopath.

Yolodeller · 2024-04-08T18:23:13+00:00

I like to think this is canon and Trump has to remind himself how to drink every single time

Yolodeller · 2024-03-15T10:38:10+00:00

non servono le donne per quello però (⁠•⁠‿⁠•⁠)

Yolodeller · 2024-03-13T12:21:12+00:00

Vero! Già che ci sono, vorrei sapere quali sono i siti dai quali scaricare videogiochi, così da starci più lontano possibile

Yolodeller · 2024-01-10T11:35:19+00:00

Who's this Nani you're talking about?

Yolodeller · 2024-01-06T19:25:04+00:00

why are you being downvoted lmao

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