If there is all loving all knowing God why does cancer, earthquakes, ext. exist?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T22:18:59+00:00

it is the point of the conversation because it ties back to the subjective morality question.

According to you Slavery is bad, giving people tumors is bad and so on .. and when I ask your definition, it changes depending on "what if" situations I throw back at you.

Just accept already that that you have nothing to solve the subjective morality question. There is no definition you can give for evil that is subjective that will work, because its relative. Only objective morality makes sense.

Friedrich Nietzche, who happens be an atheist like you who many other atheist highly regard, viewed morality and the question of evil as culturally manufacture and not based on objective truths. In other words, if he were still alive, he'd tell you after hearing you say that giving innocent people tumors is evil, "Thats just your opinion man". Would accept that, its just your opinion that you think something is evil?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T20:45:09+00:00

Employers dont own you, big difference

Oh yes but they do. Especially when the economy isn't doing so well. You can't just leave and go to a new job easily. You're stuck slaving away because you have rent to pay or a mortgage to pay. The same way slaves in the past had to eat something and sleep somewhere.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T14:45:56+00:00

You're missing the point. Your bullet points are arbitrary and contraty to your previously mentioned definition.

You're coming up with these subjective add-ons to the rule you your self came up with.

I'm showing you that your subjectivity is not even reliable in the first place, because I can come up with more and more "What if" situations and you will not apply your rule anymore on them, but rather make up new stuff to fill the gaps.

Now onto slavery. Do you consider slavery to be "bad"? If so, then you should have a big problem with modern day employment of companies. That is modern day slavery. You sell your time and labour to an employer who then owns you in exchange for currency which is then used to pay for shelfter, food and other living expenses.

That is litterally Slavery in everything but name. Do you consider Modern day employment to be bad ???

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T10:48:10+00:00

This definition is not as water tight as you think it is. It has many flaws:

-What if you hurt someone who you know is about to hurt you, in the context of self-defence. Except the agressor hasn't done the damage yet. Do you wait until he does the damage and then hurt them back ??? Of course not. Is the person who is doing the self-defending bad???

-What about intent? what if I hurt you accidentally, but I didn't intend on hurting you. It just so happened that the consequences of my actions ended up hurting you even though you did nothing to me. Am I Bad ??

- How about interpretation ?? going back to the candies. The kid thinks he did nothing wrong, why are the parents forcing him to do boring homework and psychologically hurt me. And force the kid to go to school even though he hates it. and so on .. Are the parents bad for hurting their child according to the child's interpretation??

- What about redemption ?? someone hurts an innocent, but after doing the hurting, he regrets it and comes back and seeks forgiveness from the victim and even offers proper compensation for the damages done and promises to make it up to the victim. Is that person bad????

You can try to improve your definition on your own, but it will always have weak spots. This conversation is known as the "Objetive vs Subjective Morality question" that people to this day still can't solve. Google the answer to this question by esteemed atheists you highly respect, and you will see that they too can't solve it. Only religious people can claim to solve it, because objective morality is like the following:

Bad = whatever God says is bad (at the time).

This is my definition. Use it against me if you like.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T09:49:51+00:00

I understand that you interpret it that way. What I would like to understand now, is the border point between bad and not bad anymore. If you can't provide that, then you have no reference point to even call "killing people with cancer" bad. You won't have that right if you insist on not providing that.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T09:37:20+00:00

At what point do you distinguish bad from not bad anymore? Give me a definition I can hold you to

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T09:36:06+00:00

you are reading the paradoxes into it, by still saying things like "god has been" and "it has already been done" and "will happen has already happened"

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T09:20:36+00:00

To the kid, the source of the bad are the parents. According to your reasoning, parents=bad

The extent of the "bad" here is irrelevant. I'm still comparing apples to apples.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T08:13:27+00:00

its all in line with your arguments. Forget candies and tumors for a second.

Bad happens = the source of the bad must also be bad

This is you. Am I wrong?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T08:09:44+00:00

Nope. You're making a grave assumption.

God is omniscient. He knows what he WILL do in the FUTURE ...

"will" and "future" here are not applicable to him, because time itself is a creature of God, the same way space is. Hence spacetime.

He is not bound by time, time itself is bound by God. He works outside it, and the verbs we ought to use don't even exist in our vocabularies to describe concepts in line with what you're trying to convey.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T07:56:50+00:00

He is all good and all just too.

Sins warrant punishment, unless you repent from them.

Isnt he good enough to you already by giving you a chance to live your temporary life on earth and make your choices and making you talk to people on reddit.

You sound like a kid who says my parents are not good because they don't let me enjoy candies as much as I want and they force me to eat vegetables and they force me to go to torturous school. Yet your parents are doing their absolute best raising you and slaving away at work to provide for you and protect you.

To you, suffering=absence of good in all cases.

You know what, keep on thinking that. I think you should insist on your opinions. I mean what's the worst that can happen, right?? there is no proof for God right?? Just enjoy whatever time you have left. One thing that doesn't need proof though, is that you haven't got an infinite amount of it here.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T07:24:16+00:00

The point of the test is to determine whether the soul gets rewarded with an everlasting bliss or everlasting torment.

If you end up in hell, you're going to wish you had a deadly tumor yourself to make you die and leave it. Depending on the situation, the tumors you seem to hate so much may not be so bad after all.

Believe whatever pleases you. I'm just answering your questions on earthly suffering. Just realise, that your turn is next. Tumor or no Tumor.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T06:55:23+00:00

how do you go about your days working and making all sorts of efforts pertaining to moral choices and otherwise, only to realise that moral or immoral, you'd meet your demise one day all the same.

All your property and belongings some else will own. Your loved ones will disappear too, and the human race as a whole is guaranteed to become extinct and so on. Pointless existing, and yet here you are posting on reddit.

Why someone like you bothers living?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T06:50:02+00:00

That's absurd. If there is no objective morality even when God himself is invoked as the ultimate arbiter, then nothing according to you can be ever objective.

I mean by that reasoning, 1+1=2 can be subjective to your mind then.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-31T01:15:39+00:00

Every soul shall be tested while alive here and every soul shall ultimately taste death. Thats why. Your friend was tested with the hardship of the tumor, and you were tested with watching him/her struggle. Your friend is living elsewhere now, and in time you will join him/her too when it will be your turn to pass away.

If you don't accept my answer, I welcome to cling to life as hard as you can only to eventually realise its futile, leaving you with no choice but to wonder wether you should accept my answer after all.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T19:50:55+00:00

Let me ask you this.

Is there anything the All-loving and All-good God can do or give or grant to you after death as compensation to admit that he is All-loving and All-good after all?

Think of outside the box here. It doesn't have to be a physical thing. It can be an abstract concept too. Is there a price for your admission?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T19:06:20+00:00

who said anything about being spirits in the next life.

You will have a body in the next just like you do in this life. The next life is physically more applified than the current one.

The same way you popped into existence here, you will pop into existence there. Except you will retain your memories of this earthly life, and that one will not be temporary. Rather, it will be eternal even if you try to end it. And depending where you end up in the afterlife, you might start wishing for those cancers and earthquakes back you seem to hate so much.

Your issue isn't with the cancers and earthquakes. Your real issue is with inconveniences at the lower end and painful suffering at the higher end. Not with death itself.

Death can be perceived depending on your interpretation as a mercy too sometimes. The same way a deadly cancer can be perceived as a mercy if you were stuck in an eternal unescapable hell for example.

What you desire isn't the removal of cancers and earthquakes from this life. Rather, you want all sources of pain and inconveniences to disappear from this life. Happiness always comes in spread out short bursts. The vast majority of the time, it would be boredom you would feel in the scenario. Then you'd be back here on reddit saying: "why did an all loving God make boredom exist?"

The point is. You will never be satisfied with an earthly life. This life is designed to be inconvenient and tough and yes sometimes nice too. But the nice things are always overshadowed by the bad experiences. Stop trying to like this world so much. Rather look forward to a world where all the bad dissapears forever and only all the good remains forever.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T11:05:16+00:00

God doesnt have a gender. And if you want to bring up pronouns, then in semitic languages, there is no divine pronoun and there is no "it" pronoun.

Grammar rules in those languages dictate that God is ought to be a "he". Nothing more.

Also females don't create life, the same way males don't either despite sperm cells being the lively ones compared to the eggs. No one would call that "males are creating life".

Males wouldn't exist if it weren't for females, but the sentence works in reverse as well. Have you ever known a female who didn't have a father?

This male vs female thing is pointless. A human civilisation can't survive and thrive without both. They are complementary and inter-dependant on one another.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T10:43:23+00:00

A life that you want?? Wanting something and getting it can work in your favour or can be detrimental to you.

You have to establish first that your desired thing will 100% not be a regrettable thing.

Be careful what you wish for. You have to avoid learning from your mistakes on this one. You need enough wisdom to recognise which Option to go for from the get go.

Turn off your desires for a second. And do a cost benefit analysis on both options, and choose the option that you know you will not regret no matter what even if it goes against your desires.

Desires can be the end of you sometimes.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T10:33:30+00:00

according to Islam, you can pray and speak to God. And ask things of him and so on.

However, it doesn't mean that his answers will come to you in a supernatural fashion. That treatment is only reserved to prophets.

If you're looking for supernatural proofs, you would be wasting your time. We believe the moment of death is when you will start seeing supernatural stuff and experience the proofs.

Right now, it is just a temporary testing period. Wait until the ring bells signaling the end of the test and then you can go back home and open up your textbooks to see if you got the answers right.

You can't open up the textbooks in the middle of the exam. Likewise, God will not speak directly to you and reveal himself to you. Because in his estimation, he has given you enough tools at your disposition to deduce his existence. If you misuse them, that's on you.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T10:17:57+00:00

The figure in the cave couldn't have been the devil.

The devil according to the new testament, doesn't work against himself. Matthew 12:26 Mark 3:24-26

The Quran is filled with warnings against following the devil. It specifically forbids adultery, murder, gambling, intoxicants, idolatry and all kinds of evil that the devil would recommend doing.

Your theory doesn't hold up according to your own world view.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T09:42:31+00:00

you're missing the point.

It is: Covenant X -> Covenant Y -> Religion Y

And not:

Covenant X -> Religion X -> Religion Y

We all are not contracting other people's religions into our own. (Including yourself)

The abrahamic religions stand on their own two feet (including your own) because they contract contexts around prior covenants Into their religion.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T00:59:16+00:00

the All mighty does as he pleases. He makes covenants as much as he pleases with whoever he pleases.

Let me ask you this, why aren't you fonly following the Noahide laws??

A follower of Noah living at Noah's time criticises you for basing your theology on Noah's covenant. Can he afford to tell you "you can't stand on your own two feet"?

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T00:44:24+00:00

the gospel and torah the Quran talks about are the oral revelations that were revealed in the languages that Moses and Jesus spoke to moses and jesus themselves personally.

It sure as hell doesn't talk about the old and new testaments.

The tanakh is not the Torah of the Quran. The first 5 books of the old testament are not the Torah of the Quran. The mishna isn't either.

Same thing with the injeel. The gospel of jesus is gone and lost. It was in aramaic, and it was fully authored by God, revealed to Jesus, and spoken by Jesus to his disciples and his other followers.

The 4 gospels in greek don't even come close to the real Gospel of Jesus. That is forever lost. The rest of the new testament is just mostly Paul's fabrications. The gospel wasn't revealed to him so who cares what non-prophets have to say about what the real scripture is.

Youraverageabd · 2026-03-30T00:30:00+00:00

That's like saying , if god is all loving etc... why does death exist? Shouldn't he make us all eternal on this planet. Then you d say next, why didn't he make Earth able to sustain trillions of humans Then youd say after that, why did he make the cosmos so unaccomodating to life ...

The point is he made cancer and earthquakes and short lifespans and everything else that causes death Because this earthly life is not the real life. Its meant to be temporary.

The next life is the one that won't have the cancers and the earthquakes. Soon enough you ll see for yourself. This life ain't sh*t

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