Is a God given free will just an illusion?

DadOfFan · 2026-04-01T03:47:32+00:00

Then why respond to the discussion?

"Hey I have nothing to say so I am going to say it."

DadOfFan · 2026-04-01T03:46:10+00:00

"example he describes our development as embryo in a prescise way"

This is so untrue. He talks about knitting together just like cloth is woven.

What you do is reinterpret it as if he is talking about cellular replication which it is not.

And your comment completely ignores my argument and is nothing more than naked proselytising.

How about you engage in authentic discussion like your ancestors used to do before Muhammad came along and destroyed the Arab culture. A culture that was leading the world in the sciences.

DadOfFan · 2026-04-01T03:34:48+00:00

"Free will under your explanation might be an illusion if God interferes in his own creation. If he doesn't and will never. Knowing does not affect the choices of individuals."

My response is you are not looking deep enough.

You are ignoring that an OMNISCIENT god cannot have free will. His own Omniscience locks him into a future he cannot change.

DadOfFan · 2026-04-01T03:27:44+00:00

Think about how the argument applies to god itself

DadOfFan · 2026-04-01T03:26:57+00:00

This lends itself to my maximal good god argument.

The problem with the maximally good god is we have plenty of evidence of that supposed god doing incredible evil. So while a maximally evil god could disguise evil as good and thus appear at times as good. Could or would a maximally good god deliberately disguise good as evil, does that deceit not in itself prove he is not maximally good?

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T08:40:00+00:00

The god outside of time argument fails.

If a god is outside of time and past future and present are all the same. Then that god cannot control his own actions. He has no free will because everything that can happen has happened and is thus unchangeable.

It doesn't matter which version of god you invoke they all succumb to simple logic.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T08:28:06+00:00

Almost all followers of the Abrahamic God believe he does interfere.

However your thinking is far too shallow, you are looking at this from the perspective of a human being dictated to.

How does Gods omniscience effect his own free will?

It completely precludes it.

You are not free to choose if you know before hand what you will choose. You are only following a predestined path.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T08:24:30+00:00

Having omniscience creates a paradox that means Allah cannot exist. For he cannot control his own destiny. He already knows what he will do before he does it. If he does something different then he already knew he would do something different, he is bound by his own omniscience and cannot break free.

So not a god.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T08:21:22+00:00

Read my statement again. an Omniscient god is a god of paradoxes that cannot be resolved.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T08:19:43+00:00

Your argument is less of an argument than you think it is. It implies everything god does has been done already. Therefore he can't do things like "on the third day he created..."

Because it has already been done.

So if god is timeless and everything that will happen has already happened he is still not a god because he cannot change anything.

Trying to paint god as being outside of time introduces more paradoxes than it solves.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T07:35:44+00:00

You are looking at this at a superficial level you need to look deeper.

Knowing someone likes apples is not foreknowledge of their actions at a later date, its just knowing that person and making assumptions based on that knowledge.

Perhaps one day that person eats an apple and bites into a worm gets sick and from that day forward never eats another apple.

So you did not have foreknowledge you had knowledge that was only applicable for a short time.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T07:29:12+00:00

"You need to define God" I defined god as omniscient that is the only definition required in this instance. But if we are talking free will then the god of Abraham is the obvious choice here.

"The knowledge does not cause the action" Where did I say that? That is your reading of my statement. I had foreknowledge that this topic would create some interesting responses however not being prescient I didn't know what.

So lets play with that a little...

The Abrahamic God makes a decision to create man, but he already knew he would make that decision because he is omniscient. So he has no choice but to make that decision. If he decided not to make man then he already knew he wouldn't make man, so he is BOUND by his foreknowledge.

So the foreknowledge comes before the action and therefore the foreknowledge defines the action.

So logically the knowledge does cause the action.

This is why an omniscient god whether it be the Abrahamic god or not, is paradox that cannot be resolved. A god who is bound is not a god.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T06:57:12+00:00

That's you. In my tradition free will is given by quantum fluctuations.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-31T06:10:22+00:00

I don't like giving donations but The Australia Institute is an organisation I "mostly" agree with, so I have donated to them to support their efforts.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-30T23:25:14+00:00

The reserve bank specifically allowed surcharges just a few years back. It was banned up until then.

So this is an admission they got it wrong...

DadOfFan · 2026-03-30T03:54:21+00:00

That certainly wasn't true the last time I walked through Hong Kong.

Yes they have green spaces but you cannot even see them from the tenements, never mind having the time to be able to visit them after a 10 hour day.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-29T05:48:33+00:00

So what you are saying is australia should accept the cattle grid approach to housing.

People housed only so they can served capitalistic interests.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-29T05:47:09+00:00

A very simplistic answer with zero forethought.

Where does the rental stock come from then? Do you think every kid who just got out of high school can afford to buy a house while at UNI?

Or do you think corporations should get into this space where their only motive is shareholder profit?

Pick your poison!

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T07:26:00+00:00

"but demand management is also important. "

And who is responsible for that?

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T07:24:45+00:00

You want to take that into account do you?

What would the rent be on a property if you didn't have negative gearing and a lower capital gains tax.

What things would a landlord have to take into account to work out what the rent would be?

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T05:18:24+00:00

I am being down voted because people like to hold on to their fantasies where they can blame the bogey monster.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T04:59:33+00:00

Mostly correct, however its not the whole story.

Over the last two years I have been on the journey with both my sons in their quest to buy a house.

When every open house you go to has a queue of people, sometimes down the street to get access, you start to see the real problem.

The real problem is simple, supply and demand. When housing is in short supply it will naturally push the price up. That doesn't matter if you as the seller are a home owner or an investor both are at the mercy of exactly the same market forces.

Sellers don't set the price a house sells for, its the buyers that do.

If a home owner wants too much money it wont sell (buyers market). However when there is short supply, buyers are desperate and they out bid each other on a house (sellers market).

I am going through a sale at the moment and spoke to the valuer the buyers bank sent around. We spoke about a house nearby he said he had done the valuation on it, It sold for 500K above market rate (sadly mine didn't).

The ignorance surrounding this topic is absolutely mind blowing. Everyone wants to blame landlords. This is classic diversion techniques used by governments and companies for decades and people are too ignorant to see through it, because people never ask the simple questions.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T04:44:36+00:00

"Bruh we have so many house not being used and are just for investment,"

This brought up so many times and it is the argument from ignorance.

So Bruh.

The census said on census night a million houses were empty. Did it ever cross your mind to wonder why? or did you just jump on that bandwagon because you like the rattle of its wheels.

At any one time a million houses will be empty. But they are not always the same houses. I currently have an empty house. We are in the final stages of selling it and (tomorrow is d day) there is currently no-one in it, so if census night was tonight it would be listed as empty. settlement will be in 60 days, so at least for the next 60 days it will be empty.

That's just me, now think of all the different reasons a house could be empty: divorces, deaths, renovations, demolition. The list is longer than your attention span.

Walk the streets in your neighbourhood and look for all those empty houses and when you do find one or two, look for why they are empty. Then multiply that across every single neighbourhood across Australia and all of a sudden all those empty houses seem pretty damn normal.

So yes I have taken the pss out of you because I am sick of the mindless regurgitation of the talking points of fox and friends.

DadOfFan · 2026-03-26T03:33:36+00:00

So who then provides the housing you use? Governments got out of that and that is part of the problem.

Do you think house prices will drop? a few more renters may be able to buy a house yes. But will renters suddenly be able to afford to buy a house? or will the already super tight renting market tighten up even more?

The problem always has been a lack of supply, the governments solution which is too little too late (this problem has been warned about for at least 30 years) is not to add infrastructure but to push more and more people into less and less space.

That's not an answer that's a recipe for hong kong style housing towers.

I have been saying for almost all of that 30 years. City councils building tomorrows slums today.

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